Contraception in schools

Baby-_-Girl-_-19 · Dec 4, 2007, 07:16 PM

For school we're having to write a persuasive paper on a topic of our chosing. I recently had to switch mine because, i was having issues finding information on my other topic. The topic i got switchted to is 'Contraception in schools' basically whether or not school nurses should or should be allowed to give out contraceptives, confidetially and at low cost. Just out of curiosity more than anything i was wondering what Other people thought about this topic. Any of your opinions would be apretiated, and/or imformation that could help me with my paper...

jillianleab · Dec 7, 2007, 04:22 PM

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I have never said I support "current" abstinence education. In fact, I believe public schools should be teaching reading, writing and arithmetic and leave the rest for responsible parents to decide. Yeah, I know that leaves those kids who don't have responsible parents and that is a problem, but for the millions of responsible moms dads out there the government has no business intruding in personal areas such as sex and teaching or espousing values that run counter to the parents.

The millions of responsible parents out there can opt their kids out of the programs. It's the millions of IRresponsible parents out there who make organizations like PP necessary.

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That's what the very proponents of sex education expect when it comes to religion and political values in school - and the "right to choose" (or right to privacy, however they look at it today) for both minors and adults - it's only fair and consistent for them to respect the right of parents to choose how to raise their children as well without interference and subversion.

Again, the fairness comes with the parents having the ability to opt their kids out of the programs. I fully support that, and if my kid went to a school that taught abstinence-only, you bet your a$$ I'd opt them out.

I think we're meshing threads here, speech!

charlotte234s · Dec 7, 2007, 04:22 PM

And obviously these kids parents were failing them, too, as pregnancy was like 7 of 60 girlsbefore my class graduated... and if no one watches out for these kids, shouldn't the school do it?

speechlesstx · Dec 7, 2007, 08:50 PM

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The millions of responsible parents out there can opt their kids out of the programs. It's the millions of IRresponsible parents out there who make organizations like PP necessary.

Surely you can guess I don't think PP is necessary at all

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Again, the fairness comes with the parents having the ability to opt their kids out of the programs. I fully support that, and if my kid went to a school that taught abstinence-only, you bet your a$$ I'd opt them out.

Works for me. Now if both sides would get that through their thick skulls we might begin to get somewhere

speechlesstx · Dec 7, 2007, 08:57 PM

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Can anyone prove that? If so, how? How many kids do you think don't know about condoms?

George Washington University did a study on the results after abstinence only sex-ed and found it to be failing. And honestly, in my high school there were abstinence only sex ed and some kids did not understand proper condom usage or thought that one birth control pill would protect them from pregnancy. It was an outrage, theywere screwing these kids by not teaching them right.

charlotte, it's interesting that so many have raised the issue of the "failure" of abstinence only education when responding to me, as I haven't advocated abstinence only education. I don't think our government should be teaching either, especially since they can't even seem to be able to teach kids basic math.

charlotte234s · Dec 7, 2007, 09:03 PM

I'm not saying you did, I'm saying that they need to teach contraception. I'm saying that condoms should be available to kids.

charlotte234s · Dec 7, 2007, 09:07 PM

PP isn't necessary?

Why not just teach kids that having sex makes their penises fall off and that you sex makes them go to Hell.

Ignorance will never help anyone. PP helps people learn, gives them help, gives them options and choices. I think although I'm a Christian that church programs aren't necessary personally, but I don't make the decisions for the world and neither do you, so before you say something isn't necessary put yourself in the shoes of the people who benefit from it.

speechlesstx · Dec 8, 2007, 06:15 AM

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I'm not saying you did, I'm saying that they need to teach contraception. I'm saying that condoms should be available to kids.

Um, they are.

speechlesstx · Dec 8, 2007, 06:22 AM

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PP isn't necessary?

Why not just teach kids that having sex makes their penises fall off and that you sex makes them go to Hell.

LOL, I love it when people take it to the extreme for no apparent reason.

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Ignorance will never help anyone. PP helps people learn, gives them help, gives them options and choices. I think although I'm a Christian that church programs aren't necessary personally, but I don't make the decisions for the world and neither do you, so before you say something isn't necessary put yourself in the shoes of the people who benefit from it.

I'm not trying to make decisions for the world, I just gave my opinion. My opinion is PP is an evil, subversive organization responsible for the deaths of more children in this country than anyone else. I find they're hiding behind "health care" an insult to the human race, and their continued support for the erosion of parental authority to be just what you complain of - making decisions for others.

jillianleab · Dec 8, 2007, 09:09 AM

[quote=speechlesstx]Surely you can guess I don't think PP is necessary at all

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I know you don't, but you think that, it seems, because of your negative experience with them. You appear to ignore the GOOD they have done, or could do. You don't appear to acknowledge the women in this country who don't have a support system at home, who don't have anyone educating them about sex and who, in a time of need have an organization to go to. Not everyone comes from a loving, supportive family who will be there for you in your time of need. These girls need to have someone to turn to for information on women's health and their options in accidental pregnancy situations. Would Planned Parenthood by any other name be as evil?

I know you had a bad (horrible) experience with PP, but, in my opinion, that one instance doesn't make the entire organization "evil". Perhaps if I knew the intimate details of your experience I would change my mind, but given what I know, I don't think PP is the only party at fault.

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My opinion is PP is an evil, subversive organization responsible for the deaths of more children in this country than anyone else. I find they're hiding behind "health care" an insult to the human race, and their continued support for the erosion of parental authority to be just what you complain of - making decisions for others.

Now who's taking it to the extreme?

s_cianci · Dec 8, 2007, 09:17 AM

I don't think they should.



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