When FDR sold the country the Social Security bill of goods he argued that we were going to contribute into an insurance pool .But he knew it was unconstitutional under the "reserve clause" of the Constitution (the 10th Amendment) for the Federal Government to compel people to do it .The Constitution NEVER authorized the national government to operate a social insurance system.

So when social security was introduced all language about insurance was stripped from the legislation even though it was still publicly argued as an insurance scheme. Thomas Eliot, the author of the bill, later confessed that he had deliberately made the bill confusing ..“Lest the court take judicial notice of the way officials were trying to sell the program, administrators believed it was imperative to keep the language sufficiently opaque.” The taxing and benefit clauses were separated in the bill so it would not appear that they were linked.

So although it was sold repeatedly as an insurance program in which our Social Security tax constituted a premium that, guaranteed us an absolute right to receive benefits in our old age.....it was designed as a welfare program. FDR privately boasted “We put those payroll contributions there so as to give contributors a legal, moral and political right to collect their pensions,” ..... “With those taxes, no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program.”

Social Security has survived SCOTUS challenges specifically because the government has consistently argued that it isn't and never was an insurance plan.It was upheld in Helvering v. Davis (1937).At the time SCOTUS was under pressure with the threat of FDR packing the court. Under that duress the court conveniently overlooked the obvious and tap danced around the consitutional questions to confirm the legality of Social Security . We've payed into the Pozi Scheme ever since.

Social Security survived SCOTUS challenges because it was constructed in such a way that FDR could argue that it was NOT an insurance policy. It was challenged under the 10th Amendment Reserve Clause because there is NO constitutional authority for the Federal Government to run an insurance policy .

excon

Hello again, Steve:

They probably should have stayed at the table, then. I don't think threatening the government is a GOOD idea. Maybe they won't get nothing, now..

excon

tomder55

Ex

You know and I know and we all know that Social Security as a nest egg cracked a long time ago ;and was never really an adequate safety net. Social Security is a transfer program that takes money from working people and transfers it to retired people. There is no investment, no pool of your money waiting when you retire, nor are you owed or entitled to anything.It is a social compact that will soon be broken.

Social Security will slip into the red next year, according to AP paying out more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes....and it will fall permanently in the red by 2016 .

The only way the system survives is to tap into the general revenue and convert it into just another nanny state welfare program.

I know it works well for you because you are in the top tier of the ponzi scheme . But the generation behind you will not be so lucky. They will see increasing shares of their revenue; revenue that they could use to raise their own families and prepare for their own retirements ,used to support the heinious scam Roosevelt concocted .

There is no way out of the mess he created beyond increased payroll taxes AND reduced benefits .....oh wait ....there is one more solution the Obots have seemed to
embrace...death panels.

Next we'll hear that it's the patriotic duty of the elderly to die as Dem Colorado Guv. Richard Lamm forecast 25 year ago. You support that while you accuse me of supporting turning them out into the street.

speechlesstx

I must have missed where they "threatened the government." Could you point that out for me?

excon

Hello tom:

I say again; if the health care bill does not include a strong public option, Sarah Palin will be elected president in 2012, and you'll get your wish.. SS and Medicare both will be dismantled.

Plus, we'll probably attack the world. That'll make you even happier.

excon

ETWolverine

ctually, I think Palin's chances are STRONGER if there IS a public option... because most people are against the idea of the government being involved with providing our health care.

A plan that has no public option is more likely to be acceptable to most people, and would decrease Palin's chances in 2012.

Elliot

excon

Hello again, Elliot:

We've argued about where you get your numbers from before... Of course, you make them up. Even FOX news says that 60% of the people support a public option. See the video here: Shep Smith knocks down a favorite Fox myth: The public option doesn't equal 'government-run health care' | Crooks and Liars

Who am I to argue with Fox, the fair and balanced people?

excon

speechlesstx

I thought you didn't link to stuff.

speechlesstx

And P.S. ex, thanks for demonstrating that Fox News IS more than an "arm of the Republican Party."

George_1950

Pure, unadulterated, 100% BS. The greatest enemy of freedom in the United States today is the presidency of Mr. Barack Obama. Yep, the fox is in the hen house, while the watchdogs glowingly cheer him on.

tomder55

Medicare will be either dismantled or rendered unrecognizable by Health Care Reform despite the denials of the Dems. The President openly says they'll use savings from Medicare cuts to fund the new scheme.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman...72628569.shtml