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I was wondering what peoploe think about organizations like the ACLU trying to get christian icons removed from public schools. They go as far as saying that even the colors red and green count as icons for christmas and should not be used. It seems to me they are a bunch of people who fight for freedom of expression and religion as long as your not a christian. In case anyone doesn't believe they (ACLU) aren't radicals, Hellen Keller was extremely radical (on the socialist side, which is understanable from her past of overcoming disabilities) and helped in the establishment of the ACLU. Any ideas? Further, are there any christians out there who are offended when corporations prohibit employees from wishing you a merry christmas?
The ACLU is most likely the one most single biggest threat to American Freedom and the true republic that America is.
The desire that what is best for the majority of people even if it is not agreed on by a minority of speical interest groups is first very unamerican and next extremely dangerous, since it allows for the decay of society that we have seen very largely over the past years.
The ACLU has often been over zealous in guarding civil liberties. But these statements are ridiculous and pure anti-liberal hogwash.
The contradiction of the second paragraph is amazing. The ACLU is trying to protect minority interests by not allowing any one group to have a preference.
Of course it doesn't surprise me that Fred would applaud this anti-liberal propaganda and misinformation as truth.
The ACLU has often been over zealous in guarding civil liberties. But these statements are ridiculous and pure anti-liberal hogwash.
The contradiction of the second paragraph is amazing. The ACLU is trying to protect minority interests by not allowing any one group to have a preference.
Of course it doesn't surprise me that Fred would applaud this anti-liberal propaganda and misinformation as truth.
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ScottGem's post doesn't surprise me either. So what else is new?
Arguments concering the ACLU are ongoing, and even the term "over zealous" is only partial truth; only scratches the surface.
It all remains to be seen, with changes taking place at a faster pace; seriously questioning many laws passed as a result of them.
If anyone is really interested about all this "hogwash", then here is a link, containing other links to laws, cases, court rulings, ACLU activities, and is good information on where they stand:
Hi,
ScottGem's post doesn't surprise me either. So what else is new?
Arguments concering the ACLU are ongoing, and even the term "over zealous" is only partial truth; only scratches the surface.
It all remains to be seen, with changes taking place at a faster pace; seriously questioning many laws passed as a result of them.
They shouldn't surprise you. I've been consistent in my views. I believe I have supported those views with facts and logic. I haven't had to back pedal and restate my position because I've mistated facts or truths.
I will say that the actions of the ACLU are open to interpretation. Which leaves us in the realm of opinion. I just feel that personal biases are causing some misinterpretation of the facts.
The most obvious fact to show that the ACLU is not really there to protect freedoms but only to futher thier own agenda and that of thier support groups.
When have they lately defended a Christian for his rights. When are they sueing a court house to let a Christian show his symbol of faith.
How about law suits against other relgions, I did not see them fighting to make the lady in Florida take off her face covering in her Drivers licence photo.
They sue if someone talks wrong about homosexual activity but when have they supported a Christian value. They support the very minory fringe groups. One person in a school system does not like something, but all the rest do, so what happens law suit.
They are firmly behind trying to make new laws from legal court actions.
The courts get the blame, but it is normally these people that start the issues.
American values, the real values that the majority of americans want.
Why do you think that the democrats actually won the two governors races, it was because the democrat governors spoke about thier religion beleif and thier faith. The liberal agenda is losing votes, losing the democrats all of thier power base. A few are finally seeing that it is faith, American values and moral values that actually wn elections.
Of course there will be a minorty of people not happy when American values come back into place, but that is what a Republic is, the good for the majority of the people.
These frivious law suits they file are a waste of tax payer money, a waste of the courts time and in general ( not all of course) but the majority are just bad for American values and culture.
If anyone is really interested about all this "hogwash", then here is a link, containing other links to laws, cases, court rulings, ACLU activities, and is good information on where they stand:
The most obvious fact to show that the ACLU is not really there to protect freedoms but only to futher thier own agenda and that of thier support groups.
And what fact is that?
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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
When have they lately defended a Christian for his rights. When are they sueing a court house to let a Christian show his symbol of faith.
How about law suits against other relgions, I did not see them fighting to make the lady in Florida take off her face covering in her Drivers licence photo.
This one questions actually help prove my point and show your lack of understanding ot the ACLU and its purpose.
The point I have been making is that the ACLU is about defending the Constitution. In the focus of this discussion, specifically the separation of Church and State. So to ask about them "sueing a court house to let a Christian show his symbol of faith." is ridiculous. They would only sue to prevent ANY religious display on public property. Note that they have protested having menorahs and the display of the Ten Commandents, both jewish symbols.
And why would they try to prevent the driver's license photo?
[quote=Fr_Chuck]They sue if someone talks wrong about homosexual activity but when have they supported a Christian value. They support the very minory fringe groups. One person in a school system does not like something, but all the rest do, so what happens law suit.
They are firmly behind trying to make new laws from legal court actions.
The courts get the blame, but it is normally these people that start the issues.
American values, the real values that the majority of americans want.[/QUOTE
Again, you prove my point. I've said before, that my philosophy is that anyone can do what they want up to but NOT including interfering with someone else's right to do the same. So why should any group, even if they be the majority, be allowed to oppress interfere with someone else? School's are PUBLIC institutions. They should not and cannot be used to promote any one group's ideals to the detriment of the anothers. And THAT is real American values! That is the principles that great men like Jefferson, Franklin, Adams and others of the founding fathers fought for!
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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Why do you think that the democrats actually won the two governors races, it was because the democrat governors spoke about thier religion beleif and thier faith. The liberal agenda is losing votes, losing the democrats all of thier power base. A few are finally seeing that it is faith, American values and moral values that actually wn elections.
Of course there will be a minorty of people not happy when American values come back into place, but that is what a Republic is, the good for the majority of the people.
These frivious law suits they file are a waste of tax payer money, a waste of the courts time and in general ( not all of course) but the majority are just bad for American values and culture.
I don't think you even know what American values are. You want to think you do. But it seems your idea is that the majority can impose their will on the minority. America is more about individual rights, the philosophy I stated. Its about freedom and liberty. You want to believe the liberal agenda is losing votes, but the fact is that the callous disregard of the middle and lower classes by the current administration is swinging things back.
Let me guess: you think Fox News is "Fair and Balanced".
ROFL! Its amazing what claptrap these people will believe in. I tried reading that site that Fred pointed to, but it was so disjointed, so hard to follow and so full of assinine comments I couldn't stomach it for very long
Hi,
I haven't responded to specific questions, to "prove" points, as others seem to really like doing. They have time to sit at their computer all day; I don't.
Facts about certain issues can be found anywhere on the web, and not worth the time to re-print, or research by me. If anyone has any questions about what someone else states, they can research it themselves on the web; find out if what is stated is really true or not; whether it's any of my statements, or statements others make.
It is your right to use words such as "assinine comments", or any other definitive words. One has to realize though, that we all have opinions.
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