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Old Jul 12, 2009, 05:49 AM
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Cheney and the CIA

If a covert program is planned and never comes close to being executed. Does the CIA have an obligation to disclose this program to Congress ?

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Old Jul 13, 2009, 12:26 PM   #31  
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another one . charges dropped even after the DOJ won the case ,against New Black Panther operatives who were caught on videotape intimidating anti-Obama voters . maybe they were tortured also ?
What's even more outrageous in the Black Panthers case is DOJ had already won the case by a default judgment because the defendants didn't want to face discovery. A number of Senators have sent a letter to the IG (and we know how IG's are treated in this administration) at Justice wanting to know why they would drop a case -against the wishes of career lawyers there - that was effectively won. A case referred to by 60's civil rights activist Bartle Bull as “the most blatant form of voter intimidation I have encountered in my life in political campaigns in many states, even going back to the work I did in Mississippi in the 1960s.”
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Hmm, I wonder if this is the same CIA program to capture or kill bin Laden the NY Times reported on back in 2002? If so, how can the Democrats whine about this 'secret' program?

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Otherwise, why would tom refer me to the part of the Constitution that says the pres is Commander in chief?
The only national security authority the consititution gives Congress is the power of the purse string. They leveraged that into greater power than they are entitled (as Federalist #73 warned against ) . This erosion of executive powers often goes unchallenged but at times of war it has frequently happened that Presidents have reasserted their clear mandate . When Democrats like Wilson and Roosevelt do it they are doing what is necessary to win wars. But when Republicans do it they are accused of creating an imperial Presidency.

There is nothing in the 1947 National Security Act that has been violated . As ususal the wording of the law is at best vague .It certainly doesn't specify at what point a contemplated plan is developed enough to require informing Congress.
And don't say there aren't loose lips in position of responsibility in Congress. Pat Lehey had to be removed from the Senate Intel committee for being a blabber mouth. Sen Feinstein recently disclosed to the world we were flying predator missions from bases inside Pakistan to attack Pakistani Taliban in Pakistani territory .
It is clearly a case in point here that after 8 years the details of whatever plan was being crafted was not going to be executed. Therefore the way I read the language of the law there was no requirement to report it to Congress.
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If so, how can the Democrats whine about this 'secret' program?
Hello again, Steve:

There's no whining about the program. There's whining about the refusal to follow the law..

Does that sound familiar to a conservative like yourself??? Lemme see if I can help. It's not the blow job, it the lies.

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Hello again, Steve:

There's no whining about the program. There's whining about the refusal to follow the law..

Does that sound familiar to a conservative like yourself??? Lemme see if I can help. It's not the blow job, it the lies.
And in this case the whining is the lie. Just as Pelosi lied about she knew, the Democrats are lying now about what they knew. This hasn't been news for 6 1/2 years.
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