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  • May 14, 2009, 06:37 AM
    excon
    Chatty Cheney & The Obama Collapse
    Hello:

    Well, it's working. In response, Obama is acting more and more like the dufus. It should give you righty's wood.

    He caved on the release of more torture photos. Obama sounded positively Rumsfeldian in his insistence that releasing the photos could hurt the troops. That's exactly what Rumsfeld's Pentagon said when the last batch of Abu Ghraib photos ran in 2006. To my knowledge, there was no backlash against American soldiers.

    For the first time in his presidency, I had the feeling that Obama was lying in his remarks on the photos - once when he said the new images "are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib, and again when he insisted "the individuals who were involved have been identified, and appropriate actions have been taken." That is a flat-out lie.

    Maybe he is Carter.

    excon
  • May 14, 2009, 06:44 AM
    N0help4u

    I am interested in seeing the photos of the insensitive NY fly over.

    It is also interesting that Obama changed his website on supporting gay marriage over how the beauty pagent girl and Trump handled things.

    As far as the torture photos, Pelosi and others knew all along AND approved so that is the bottom line on why they are backing down.
  • May 14, 2009, 06:53 AM
    tomder55
    Obama on the surface would appear to be reading scripture.
    1 Corinthians 13:11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up my childish ways.

    But from a political calculation he has already done the damage he intended just by being public about there being more photos .

    Now he can appear to be above it all .

    When the ACLU wins in court and some lefty judge orders the release of the photos ; he can do a Pontius Pilot act and wash his hands of it.
  • May 14, 2009, 06:55 AM
    excon

    Hello again, Saph:

    Here it is. But, it's not as good as the torture ones.

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/member...ure313-fly.jpg

    Obama sucks. Cheney has successfully coopted his successor... From extending and deepening the war in Afghanistan, to suppressing evidence of rampant and widespread abuse and torture of prisoners under Bush, to thuggishly threatening the British with intelligence cut-off if they reveal the brutal torture inflicted on Binyam Mohamed, Obama now has new cheer-leaders: Bill Kristol, Michael Goldfarb and Max Boot...

    As the Wolverine would say, Sickening...

    excon
  • May 14, 2009, 07:01 AM
    N0help4u

    That pic was just to appease.
    I can't believe they spent $35,000 in fuel alone for the lame pictures. They are not telling us the real story.

    More people are starting to see Obamas true colors.
    What happened to NOT even ONE American solider should die in war? Now the war is kept quiet compared to when Bush was President.
    I don't even hear them talking much on ending it completely like they were crying about before.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:08 AM
    tomder55

    Let me come to Obama's defense (sorta) over the photos.

    The stunt was irresponsible in the fact that the reaction by NYers was not calculated.

    However ,the money issue is a bit of a canard. There are about 3 Airforce One jets in use and their pilots ,like all pilots ,need the flying time to stay sharp. Regardless of where they go ;they still fly ,and it costs us $$ every time they do.

    It has been common practice for these photo-ops to occure. They print them for people who fly in Air Force One as souvenirs ,sometimes signed by the President . The problem was in the miscommunication ;not the flyover.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:11 AM
    450donn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post
    That pic was just to appease.
    I can't believe they spent $35,000 in fuel alone for the lame pictures. They are not telling us the real story.

    More people are starting to see Obamas true colors.
    What happened to NOT even ONE American solider should die in war? Now the war is kept quiet compared to when Bush was President.
    I don't even hear them talking much on ending it completely like they were crying about before.


    NH you have to realize that the media is in bed with the Dems so it behooves them be keep quiet. While on the other hand they were the attack dogs of the Dem party when the Repubs were in orifice. So again it behoove them to make as much about nothing to get their person elected. So that they could again enjoy the prestige and power that they wheeled 50 years ago. Sadly they do not realize that it is their political views that are driving them to extinction.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:13 AM
    N0help4u

    Yeah they do need the air time but with 911 and all I would say it was irresponsible and insensitive BUT I say for that there should be some awesome photos rather than what they have come up with so far.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:24 AM
    tomder55
    Yes that is true . Anyone doing photo work for the tourism industry and a decent digital camera could've done a much better job. They had some top gun in a fighter jet taking these shots.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:29 AM
    tomder55
    Regarding the "torture " photos . I still maintain the President hedged his bets. He did not make an executive order to not release them .

    I expect some OBOT will leak them in a few weeks AFTER the President returns safely from Egypt.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:34 AM
    spitvenom

    Can't a judge rule and make them release the pictures? Seems to me Obama is afraid of catching some backlash for it. If a judge rules to release the pictures Obama can just say Hey wasn't me.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:40 AM
    tomder55
    I am studying the time line now . I think a judge did order them released under FOIA .Obama was not going to fight the release but is now listening to the recommendations of his military to not release them.(not Cheney as is being alleged here)

    They were due to be released by May 28.Obama is due to speak in Egypt on June 4 in what is intended to be a landmark address to the Muslim world.
    I think the timing of this is the real factor in his decision.
  • May 14, 2009, 07:51 AM
    excon

    Hello again:

    Obama decided NOT to appeal the initial FOIA ruling that ordered him to release the photos in the first place. Now, he changed his mind, and IS going to file an appeal.

    He'll LOSE the appeal because he's bringing up stuff in his appeal that wasn't brought up before the trial court, and you can't do that. It's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo, but suffice to say, he'll LOSE. I don't know if he KNEW this and is trying to look good, or what?

    I just don't like the flip flopping. But, YES, you will see the photos.

    excon
  • May 14, 2009, 08:05 AM
    spitvenom

    I think he is just trying to look good.
  • May 14, 2009, 08:55 AM
    tomder55
    Also in the flip flop category is the decision to move "the worse of the worse " in GITMO like KSM to locations inside the US

    BUT they will be held indefinitely without trial, tribunal, hearing or resolution.
  • May 14, 2009, 10:17 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello:

    Well, it's working. In response, Obama is acting more and more like the dufus. It should give you righty's wood.

    He caved on the release of more torture photos. Obama sounded positively Rumsfeldian in his insistence that releasing the photos could hurt the troops. That's exactly what Rumsfeld's Pentagon said when the last batch of Abu Ghraib photos ran in 2006. To my knowledge, there was no backlash against American soldiers.

    For the first time in his presidency, I had the feeling that Obama was lying in his remarks on the photos - once when he said the new images "are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib, and again when he insisted "the individuals who were involved have been identified, and appropriate actions have been taken." That is a flat-out lie.

    Maybe he is Carter.

    Excon


    THIS is the first time you think he was lying?

    Where have you been?

    Quote:

    We can no longer accept a process that doles out earmarks based on a member of Congress’ seniority, rather than the merit of the project. We can no longer accept an earmarks process that has become so complicated to navigate that a municipality or non-profit group has to hire high-priced D.C. lobbyists to do it. And we can no longer accept an earmarks process in which many of the projects being funded fail to address the real needs of our country.
    --------- Barack Obama, March 2008
    Uh... yeah. And then he passes a bill with 9,000 earmarks.

    Quote:

    "There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."
    Obama on January 9, 2009
    Just one problem... there's a petition that says otherwise:
    http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus...o_stimulus.pdf

    There are 250+ people on that page that disagreed with Obama.

    I could go on, but I think you get my point.
  • May 14, 2009, 11:40 AM
    N0help4u

    One thing for sure we will see the photos before we ever see a real Obama birth certificate
  • May 14, 2009, 11:53 AM
    Silverfoxkit

    Quote:

    One thing for sure we will see the photos before we ever see a real Obama birth certificate
    Sad but true.

    I think that it is an absolute shame, I'm sorry if I offend anyone, that the people were so eager for an African American president that they were unable to look past the skin. I have a feeling that in the end this president will only serve to disgrace his people instead of elevating them. I'm sure there are many other decent African American men out there who actually have a brain between their ears (I can see how Obama's fell out now that I think about it. ;)), who could have done the nation proud as the first black president had America only had the patience for him to step forward. Now what should be a proud moment is going to be glossed over in shame by the man they gave the prestigious title of "First African American President" to.
  • May 14, 2009, 11:58 AM
    N0help4u

    I hear African Americans complaining that it is a racial thing against Obama but I know many people, even conservatives, are fine with an African American---Just not Obama.
    It isn't a racial thing with the average American. In fact many of the Republican Christian's that are against Obama DID vote for Obama.
  • May 14, 2009, 12:09 PM
    Silverfoxkit

    Exactly, I hear you nohelp. I'm not against an African American president, I'm against Obama as a person. Obama is seeming to be more grey the black with all of these hidden and shady issues wrapped around him.

    Well we have a little over 3 more years, lets hope the people see him for what he's worth as a person and not just what race he is before the next election. I know for a fact that in these parts the majority of people only voted for him for his race. When asked why do you support Obama you either got blank stares, "Cause we need a black man in the white house", "I gotta represent you know.", or "Cuz Mcain is stupid." okay I agree with the last one. We got a terrible choice of idiots this time around. I'm not trying to be racist, these are genuine answers. What can you expect though, when the media was doing noting but spitting out Obama pictures on the cover of every magazine. I bet everything I have that if he had been a white man then he wouldn't have received even a third of the attention and he probably would have not been elected.

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