Canucks should be proud

Hello Ordinary:

Yup. Our neighbors to the North know what real democracy is. It's a shame Bush isn't listening......

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Well, their parliament passed the law, and their executive tried to enforce it, so they're prone to many of the same scare tactics we are. But at least their Court smacked it down. I hope ours takes inspiration from them.

Are you kidding O.G.? The current administration will not take any inspiration from anyone but themselves.

Personally, I have been contemplating a move to Canada. It is located only a few hours north of me and I am sorely tempted. My problem is that I am very grateful that my ancestors came to this country. I probably wouldn't have been born if they didn't. And, I don't relish leaving my friends behind. Up until this current admin, I was very happy here. But, if there is no correction to the direction we are going in, it is becoming increasingly more than just a fleeting thought for me.

I meant our Supreme Court. I agree there's no hope for this president and his minions.

I began the process of emigrating to Canada in 1970 to evade the draft, but drew #270 in the birthday lottery, so the point became moot. I spent parts of three years there (Ontario, north of Toronto near Parry Sound) and really liked the culture and the people.

I know you were talking about the Supreme Court. In my opinion they are part of the current admin as far as I am concerned. Look how many have been appointed by Bush and are in line with his way of thinking. I guess all we can do is hope that there will be a little less ultra-conservative thinking, and more independent thinking on their part, when he is out of office.

I have spent time up in Canada as well. More in Quebec City, and the surrounding areas, and Nova Scotia. I really do love it up there. I made the move to New Hampshire a number of years ago because it is more like an independent state than any other I have been in. You know the motto: Live Free or Die! People here take that very seriously. We have one guy, Brown, who has been in the news of late. He hasn't paid taxes in years and has blockaded himself in his home. He is a very rational guy. I understand where he is coming from but I don't have that kind of moxy in me. I would rather move out of country if I was as disenchanted as he is. That isn't any way to live. He has virtually built his own private prison.

Oh Nova Scotia is beautiful place. All of the east coast (maritimes). That would be cool if you came up to Canada. (;

Ruby would love it (;

5 years the US have held an Australian suspect without charge. It was only recently that they passed new laws to charge him with.

They created laws during the 5 years he he has been held in detention to charge him with.

WOW, that's justice at its best isn't it?

The sickest part is that John Howard, our PM just sits by and lets it happen. He would never want to offend his pal Bush. He is that far up his backside all you can see is his shoelaces dangling out Bush's rear end!

It is sick on so many levels it isn't funny and people down here are disgusted in the whole process I can assure you of that!

So WELL DONE CANADA!

Wow, Skell, why don't you tell us what you REALLY think? LOL

It is sick on many levels. It undermines its own foundation. It is the fruits of fear and self-deception manifested as collective delusion. George Bush is often quoted as saying that September 11 "changed everything". Well, it changed his and many other people's perception of the level of threat to the U.S. Civilian population from terrorist attacks. It should have changed none of the principles of law and government that the Nation was built on, and are embodied in our Constitution. But they (W and the Neo-Cons) decided that it did indeed change these principles and that the fundamental change is that protecting the "Homeland" from terrorist attack became Job One-And-Only for not only the President, but everybody else in the vast Executive Branch, and the Armed Forces. And furthermore, since the job is so overriding in importance, the Congress and the Courts should just butt out and let The Decider and The Enforcers take care of it.

I suppose I could understand why they might decide this, but the really scary thing is that WE (Congress, the Courts, and until recently public opinion) let them do it with very little protest or resistance. This scares me far more than the Neo-Con Cabal themselves. When the Collective is ready, the Cabal appears.

My impression (based mostly on news accounts, I suppose) is that public opinion in Re: the US in most of the world since 2003 has been negative and hasn't changed except to get more so. In the US, it started out way positive, and has now turned way negative. I suppose the new Cabal will reveal themselves soon.

Hello again:

George Bush mistakenly says his job is to protect the American people, so he whittles on the Constitution. I don't know where he gets this from. He makes it up as he goes along. Presidents, who make up things must be stopped!

Actually, his job is just the opposite! In fact, he's supposed to protect the Constitution – not pare away at it. That's what he swore he would do in the oath of office he took. I've reprinted it here for your perusal.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Where does it say anything about protecting people?

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