"BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - Residents of the upper Midwest bundled up or just stayed inside Tuesday as a wave of bitterly cold air barreled south out of the Arctic, following on the heels of a fast-moving blizzard.
Some schools closed because of the cold and temperatures hit the single digits as far south as Kansas and Missouri.

The coldest air spilled across the Canadian prairie into the Dakotas and Minnesota. Grand Forks, N.D., dropped to a record low of 37 degrees below zero Tuesday morning, lopping six degrees off the old record set in 1979, the National Weather Service said.

In northern Minnesota, it was 35 below zero in Roseau and 36 below in Hallock, with wind chills down to 45 below in Hibbing. Just to the north, Winnipeg, Saskatchewan, also hit minus 36, according to Environment Canada.

In North Dakota, the Minot area got 6 inches of snow, on top of about a foot that fell late last week, and Bismarck collected 4. Bismarck, Fargo and Grand Forks all broke snow records for December, each with more than 30 inches."
Sharp cold wave shocks upper Midwest, temps to -36

tomder55

If your talking about things like acid rain then yes there is a definite linkage proven by science. The idea that human emissions affects climate is science fiction . If you are arguing for the reduction of known pollutants than I'll sign on ...it is good policy .

But the "hypothesis " that human emission of carbon dioxide can have any affect on the climate had better be proven beyond a doubt before you ask humans to fundamentally change their ways. I see more proof that climate change is greater affected by sun spot activity.

Let's also throw out for debate the proposition that the last time the earth experienced a significant global warming cycle ,the earth was lush with vegatation and animal life thrived. It took an extra-terrestrial killer asteroid to plunge the planet into the ice age that we are still retreating from .So what is the natural state of the planet ? cold and ice caused because a killer asteroid plunged into it killing off multitudes of plant and animal life ? or warm and full of life of all kinds .

excon

Hello again, George & tom:

So, you DO think it's fine to use our air as a garbage dump. I thought as much.

excon

tomder55

obviously you did not read my response.

speechlesstx

Ex,

It's that kind of extreme that makes me shake my head. Apparently we righty’s can’t be reasonable. Since we question the propaganda we must obviously think that “we can just put TONS and TONS of garbage into the air WITHOUT ANY consequences,” as if we love our smog, nasty rivers and Wal-Mart bags flying from our trees.

We can’t take a step back and question the science or buck the consensus. We can’t think it a little odd for environmentalism to take on a religious fervor and we’re obviously out of touch with reality to object to ceding our rights and sovereignty in the face of such overwhelming evidence. Funny, but questioning the prevailing opinion sounds just like something you would do in so many other areas.

Sorry, but when I read things like the stadium in San Francisco is going to be submerged due to melting sea ice I have to laugh. Go take a glass of ice water, mark the level, see what the level is after it melts – and then tell me I’m crazy for not believing everything I read about global warming.

Dr D

Dear Ex and others who belong to the religion of Man Made Global Warming; all sane people including those of the Right, believe that we should make greater effort to preserve the environment and wean ourselves from fossil fuels. What I find offensive is that ALGOR says "the debate is over", and that anyone who has not become a deciple of MMGW is branded as a stooge of the oil industry, a fool, or an evil person, who should be sent off to a "re-education camp."

Three points that I have not seen the MMGW camp address are: 1) Since CO2 is but 0.5% of the atmosphere, and man's contribution to that might be 20%= 1/1000 of the atmosphere, one could conclude that other more important factors would be in play. 2) Increases in temperature seem to PRECEED increased CO2 levels by about 800 years, which should negate the causality of CO2. 3) Changes in solar activity are ignored by the MMGW camp, as a possible cause.

Inquiring minds want to know.

excon

Hello again,

Look, I'm not a scientist... I'm just a guy who knows there are consequences for being disrespectful to our environment...

I dunno if it's gonna get warm, cold or start raining fish. I don't care. I'm sure it's gonna DO something. The Goricle has studied the issue. He makes as much sense as anybody does.... I certainy don't think he's looney!

The naysayers, however, make no sense at all. They just deny, deny, deny...

If you're NOT doing that, then tell me what price, if any, YOU think we'll pay for dumping our garbage out there.... Inquiring minds want to know.

excon

PS> Tom, it's true. I just threw your name in there at the last minute... But, you're not off the hook.

Dr D

This questioner (not nay-sayer), just asks, asks, and asks, only to have his questions ignored in every discussion. Yes, ALGOR has studied the issue, and probably has about as much scientific education as Madonna or Michael Moore. ALGOR has made millions from his book and movie. His proximity to the glitterati earned him the Nobel Peace Prize, which should have gone to the fine lady who rescued thousands of children from the Nazis in WWII.

speechlesstx

That's just it, ex, I don't know who is running around out there dedicated to the proposition that there are no consequences for being disrespectful to our environment, there are. There are also consequences to jumping in with both feet to this religion of environmentalism.

excon

Hello again, Dr:

I'm not ignoring your questions. I just don't know.

You ARE ignoring MY question, though. Calling yourself an inquirer doesn't get you off the hook.

Ok, I'll make it EASY for you. I got that you think global warming is hogwash.... So, I'm not gonna ask you about THAT.

What I want to know is, do you think there are ANY consequences to throwing our trash into our atmosphere, even if you don't know what they are?

excon

parttime

George, one thing about your line of thinking is if your wrong, there may not be anyone around to rub your face in it.