Calling Al Gore: Where are you?

George_1950 · Jan 13, 2009, 10:00 AM

"BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - Residents of the upper Midwest bundled up or just stayed inside Tuesday as a wave of bitterly cold air barreled south out of the Arctic, following on the heels of a fast-moving blizzard.
Some schools closed because of the cold and temperatures hit the single digits as far south as Kansas and Missouri.

The coldest air spilled across the Canadian prairie into the Dakotas and Minnesota. Grand Forks, N.D., dropped to a record low of 37 degrees below zero Tuesday morning, lopping six degrees off the old record set in 1979, the National Weather Service said.

In northern Minnesota, it was 35 below zero in Roseau and 36 below in Hallock, with wind chills down to 45 below in Hibbing. Just to the north, Winnipeg, Saskatchewan, also hit minus 36, according to Environment Canada.

In North Dakota, the Minot area got 6 inches of snow, on top of about a foot that fell late last week, and Bismarck collected 4. Bismarck, Fargo and Grand Forks all broke snow records for December, each with more than 30 inches."
Sharp cold wave shocks upper Midwest, temps to -36

speechlesstx · Aug 20, 2009, 10:53 AM

Actually El, I think it goes beyond that to "social justice."

"The lifestyle of the rich in the world is not a sustainable model..."

ETWolverine · Aug 20, 2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Actually El, I think it goes beyond that to "social justice."

"The lifestyle of the rich in the world is not a sustainable model..."

Good point. It's not as if POOR people don't use energy too, to heat homes, drive cars, etc. But he only seems concerned with the RICH people who use energy. I wonder why that is...

Leipold's basic assumptions SEEM to be:
Rich people are bad.
Industry is bad.
Economic growth is bad.
Poor people, though, should get a pass.

Elliot

speechlesstx · Aug 20, 2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Good point. It's not as if POOR people don't use energy too, to heat homes, drive cars, etc. But he only seems concerned with the RICH people who use energy. I wonder why that is...

Leipold's basic assumptions SEEM to be:
Rich people are bad.
Industry is bad.
Economic growth is bad.
Poor people, though, should get a pass.

Elliot

That also works for the health care debate.

ETWolverine · Aug 20, 2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That also works for the health care debate.

Actually, it is a general liberal attitude, and it is one of the basic thought processes that explain their agenda.

Some others are:

Violence never solved anything.
Everything has to be fair, which is to say that everyone has to be the same.
If there were no differences between people, there would be no wars.
If there were no distinctions between good and evil, there would be no wars.
Government are there to solve all your problems and are fundamentally good and benevolent.
All corporations are just out to get you and take advantage of you and must therefore be stopped by the government which is there to solve all your problems.

These concepts are the ones that determine liberal policy. The fact that HISTORY has proven each of these concepts to be fundamentaly wrong or flawed doesn't change the fact that they are the basic concepts of liberalism.

Elliot

speechlesstx · Aug 20, 2009, 12:43 PM

speechlesstx · Aug 20, 2009, 01:30 PM

I love it, carbon traders were arrested in the UK for not paying the taxes.

Quote:

British officials said the people arrested could be part of an organized group that operated a network of companies trading large volumes of the permits. The officials did not name those arrested. The agency said the fraud was carried out by companies in the network that bought the carbon permits outside of Britain without paying Value Added Tax, a levy known as V.A.T.

The companies in the network are suspected of adding the V.A.T. to the price of the permits, which they sold in Britain. The companies then disappeared before paying the tax to British authorities.

Last month, Britain exempted carbon trading from the V.A.T. to curb the possibility of similar cases in the future. France and the Netherlands took similar steps earlier in the summer. Even so, the tax agency said it “still intends to pursue relentlessly those that may have used carbon credit trading to cheat the public purse.”

I also love the solution to the problem, scrap the tax and you won't have any violators. I can see it now, the mob is probably already positioning itself for the new cap and trade market.

ETWolverine · Aug 20, 2009, 01:44 PM

I can see it now... greasy men in long black coats in the streets saying, "Pssst, got some carbon credits for ya... real cheap. Check it out... whadya mean 'where'd I get 'em?' They fell offa da truck."

Elliot

galveston · Aug 20, 2009, 01:51 PM

Heritage Foundation reports that the cap & trade bill requires us to reduce CO2 output by 83% from 2005 levels.

What are the plants going to take in to produce oxygen?

If the population of the world continues to grow (or even remains the same) we are going to need a LOT of plants.

These eco-idiots have a suicide complex, and they want to take US with them!