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Calling Al Gore: Where are you?

"BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - Residents of the upper Midwest bundled up or just stayed inside Tuesday as a wave of bitterly cold air barreled south out of the Arctic, following on the heels of a fast-moving blizzard.
Some schools closed because of the cold and temperatures hit the single digits as far south as Kansas and Missouri.

The coldest air spilled across the Canadian prairie into the Dakotas and Minnesota. Grand Forks, N.D., dropped to a record low of 37 degrees below zero Tuesday morning, lopping six degrees off the old record set in 1979, the National Weather Service said.

In northern Minnesota, it was 35 below zero in Roseau and 36 below in Hallock, with wind chills down to 45 below in Hibbing. Just to the north, Winnipeg, Saskatchewan, also hit minus 36, according to Environment Canada.

In North Dakota, the Minot area got 6 inches of snow, on top of about a foot that fell late last week, and Bismarck collected 4. Bismarck, Fargo and Grand Forks all broke snow records for December, each with more than 30 inches."
Sharp cold wave shocks upper Midwest, temps to -36

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But fluffiness comes at a price
Hello again, Steve:

Yup, there's a price to pay. And, since it's our collective a$$, we make light of it. But it really IS our collective a$$, and the price is much bigger than that.

I dunno. I'm not Al Gore. I'm not a scientist. I'm not smart.

But, our atmosphere has more CO2 in it than it has for the last 20 thousand years. At the same time, we're chopping down our rain forest as fast as we can. It's the rain forest that cleans the air.

That doesn't bode well for us - even you righty's.

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I don't know, ex. Trying to find reliable data on forest coverage (like anything else regarding climate change) is like finding that needle in the haystack. And what gets me is scientists seem to be surprised when they discover things like all that "extra" CO2 seems to help trees grow and in turn absorb more CO2.
Fifth of World Carbon Emissions Soaked up by Extra Forest Growth, Scientists Find
20/02/2009 by THE GUARDIAN

Trees across the tropics are getting bigger and offering unexpected help in the fight against climate change, scientists have discovered.

A laborious study of the girth of 70,000 trees across Africa has shown that tropical forests are soaking up more carbon dioxide pollution that anybody realised. Almost one-fifth of our fossil fuel emissions are absorbed by forests across Africa, Amazonia and Asia, the research suggests.

Simon Lewis, a climate expert at the University of Leeds, who led the study, said: "We are receiving a free subsidy from nature. Tropical forest trees are absorbing about 18% of the carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere each year from burning fossil fuels, substantially buffering the rate of change."

The study measured trees in 79 areas of intact forest across 10 African countries from Liberia to Tanzania, and compared records going back 40 years. "On average the trees are getting bigger," Lewis said.

Compared to the 1960s, each hectare of intact African forest has trapped an extra 0.6 tonnes of carbon a year. Over the world's tropical forests, this extra "carbon sink" effect adds up to 4.8bn tonnes of CO2 removed each year - close to the total carbon dioxide emissions from the US.

Although individual trees are known to soak up carbon as they photosynthesise and grow, large patches of mature forest were once thought to be carbon neutral, with the carbon absorbed by new trees balanced by that released as old trees die.

A similar project in South America challenged that assumption when it recorded surprise levels of tree growth a decade ago, Lewis said. His study, published tomorrow in Nature, was to check whether the effect was global.

The discovery suggests that increased CO2 in the atmosphere could fertilise extra growth in the mature forests.


Well duh! I learned that in elementary school.
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back before the asteroid struck , the world was lush and green and had a great deal of C02 floating around.Elevated carbon dioxide levels result in higher productivity, and faster animal and plant growth rates.Both animals and plants were bigger ...much bigger.
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Gore Pulls Slide of Disaster Trends - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com


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Two days after the talk, Mr. Gore was sharply criticized for using the data to make a point about global warming by Roger A. Pielke, Jr., a political scientist focused on disaster trends and climate policy at the University of Colorado. Mr. Pielke noted that the Center for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters stressed in reports that a host of factors unrelated to climate caused the enormous rise in reported disasters (details below).













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“Natural living” advocates unveil their latest planet-saving invention - the reusable toilet wipe.
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Just in time for “a mass non-violent civil disobedience” in D.C. called Make Climate Justice History scheduled for today as announced by It's Getting Hot in Here, “between three and 12 inches of snow” blanketed the capitol.

LOL, I do believe God has a sense of humor. Now That's climate change justice.
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In part 2 of today's climate news, Obama's EPA intends to regulate farm dust. OK all you farmers out there, please confine your dust to your property.
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In today's episode of "It's getting hot in here," recent study shows global warming is on hold...even though many have been saying this for some time.

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Global Warming: On Hold?
Michael Reilly, Discovery News

March 2, 2009 -- For those who have endured this winter's frigid temperatures and today's heavy snowstorm in the Northeast, the concept of global warming may seem, well, almost wishful.

But climate is known to be variable -- a cold winter, or a few strung together doesn't mean the planet is cooling. Still, according to a new study, global warming may have hit a speed bump and could go into hiding for decades.

"This is nothing like anything we've seen since 1950,"
Kyle Swanson of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee said. "Cooling events since then had firm causes, like eruptions or large-magnitude La Ninas. This current cooling doesn't have one."

Instead, Swanson and colleague Anastasios Tsonis think a series of climate processes have aligned, conspiring to chill the climate. In 1997 and 1998, the tropical Pacific Ocean warmed rapidly in what Swanson called a "super El Nino event." It sent a shock wave through the oceans and atmosphere, jarring their circulation patterns into unison.

How does this square with temperature records from 2005-2007, by some measurements among the warmest years on record? When added up with the other four years since 2001, Swanson said the overall trend is flat, even though temperatures should have gone up by 0.2 degrees Centigrade (0.36 degrees Fahrenheit) during that time.
Yes, nature is "conspiring" to ruin the climate change agenda.
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Hello again, Steve:

I still can't figure out what you have against the idea of global warming... Do you own energy stocks? Do you work for an energy company? Are you looking for an excuse to keep doing business as usual? Do you LIKE spending $4 for gas? Do you deny that oil is running out? Do you deny that we're going to need an alternate energy source?

Really. I can't figure out, other than it's a Republican talking point, WHY you say what you do?

And, even if global warming is wrong, should we continue throwing our trash into the air? That's really the question I have for you.

If you think so, why don't you just say so, and argue with me that it's ok to do that?

If you don't, then who cares what some crackpot says? If his solution is right, even though his premise is wrong, the result will still be good, no?

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I still can't figure out what you have against the idea of global warming...
I don’t like being scammed by religious zealots. Do you?

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Do you own energy stocks?
Probably somewhere in my IRA.

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Do you work for an energy company?
Um, no. We do fire and security systems.

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Are you looking for an excuse to keep doing business as usual?
Look it up ex, I’ve always stated conservation and a clean environment are good things.

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Do you LIKE spending $4 for gas?
No.

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Do you deny that oil is running out?
Actually I’m not sure we’re getting the truth.

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Do you deny that we're going to need an alternate energy source?
Of course not. I’d love to install a solar system but it’s cost prohibitive.

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Really. I can't figure out, other than it's a Republican talking point, WHY you say what you do?
You really can’t figure that out? Do you like being lied to? Do you think science should be honest? Is allowing a different opinion a good thing? Should conflicting evidence be considered or should the consensus disregard it out of hand? How do you measure a global ocean rise of a few centimeters? Do you trust computer models, because our weather guys can’t seem to guess what’s going to happen more than a few minutes before it does.

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And, even if global warming is wrong, should we continue throwing our trash into the air? That's really the question I have for you.
For the thousandth time, clean air is a good thing. Do you think like some extremists do that "global warming deniers" (ie: scientists with different data) should be prosecuted for environmental crimes?

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If you think so, why don't you just say so, and argue with me that it's ok to do that?
Perhaps you will finally remember all the times I’ve said clean air is a good thing instead?

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If you don't, then who cares what some crackpot says? If his solution is right, even though his premise is wrong, the result will still be good, no?
Wow, after everything I’ve read from you on our rights I’m really surprised you don’t get it. It’s not just some crackpot, it’s a religion, it’s rampant, it’s misleading, dishonest and it seeks to impose some really bad things on the world, like “voluntary human extinction.”

No? Even the beloved Jacques Cousteau said "This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350000 people per day."

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