To bow or not to bow

galveston · Apr 4, 2009, 05:17 PM

I saw on one news report when Obama met the Queen of England, he did NOT bow. (Good)

I heard that when he met the Saudi leader, he DID bow. (Bad)

What do you think made the difference?

speechlesstx · Apr 10, 2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You might want to talk to a therapist about that persecution complex. BTW the US is so far up the Saudi's butt that it really doesn't matter what your president does.

I would engage win a battle of wits with you, but I refuse to duel with an unarmed person.

NeedKarma · Apr 10, 2009, 08:37 AM

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I would engage win a battle of wits with you, but I refuse to duel with an unarmed person.

Hahhahahhahahahha...we're in Grade 3 again! Good one!

speechlesstx · Apr 10, 2009, 09:01 AM

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Instead, Obama believes in the old Republican saw of "walking softly, while carrying a big stick".

I have no problem with that as a general policy, kind of like negotiating from a position of strength as in the pirate ordeal. When bowing to kings one loses their "stick." You can interpret "stick" any way you'd like...makes no difference.

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Plus, if you want to talk about pathetic, making up stuff, so that we could invade a country that posed NO THREAT to us, was pretty damn pathetic. One could say that it was a touch more dangerous than bowing. One could say that... Ok, I'M saying that.

Sheesh, we've been down this road too many times. For that I'll again return to that noble body, the UN. If we "made stuff up" then the UN is just as guilty.

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The Security Council,

Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its President,

Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully,

Recognizing the threat Iraq's noncompliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,

Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,

Deploring the absence, since December 1998, in Iraq of international monitoring, inspection, and verification, as required by relevant resolutions, of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, in spite of the Council's repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), established in resolution 1284 (1999) as the successor organization to UNSCOM, and the IAEA, and regretting the consequent prolonging of the crisis in the region and the suffering of the Iraqi people,

Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,

Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions and recalling that the resolutions of the Council constitute the governing standard of Iraqi compliance,

Recalling that the effective operation of UNMOVIC, as the successor organization to the Special Commission, and the IAEA is essential for the implementation of resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions,

Noting the letter dated 16 September 2002 from the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Iraq addressed to the Secretary General is a necessary first step toward rectifying Iraq's continued failure to comply with relevant Council resolutions,

Noting further the letter dated 8 October 2002 from the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq laying out the practical arrangements, as a follow-up to their meeting in Vienna, that are prerequisites for the resumption of inspections in Iraq by UNMOVIC and the IAEA, and expressing the gravest concern at the continued failure by the Government of Iraq to provide confirmation of the arrangements as laid out in that letter,

Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighbouring States,

Commending the Secretary General and members of the League of Arab States and its Secretary General for their efforts in this regard,

Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions,

Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);

2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent resolutions of the Council;

3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material...

Looks like the UN just made stuff up, too. But I guess we should just bow to them anyway.

excon · Apr 10, 2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

When bowing to kings one loses their "stick." You can interpret "stick" any way you'd like...makes no difference.

Hello again, Steve:

We're still at the HEART of it. Hang on, we're close to resolution.. (See how good diplomacy can be????)

From MY point of view, a BOMB is a stick and a BOW is a gesture. How could you see it any other way?? Ok, now that that's done, let's get a beer.

excon

PS> Yeah, the UN thought he had WMD's too.. But THEY didn't invade. We did. BIG difference!!!

speechlesstx · Apr 10, 2009, 09:35 AM

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Ok, now that that's done, let's get a beer.

I'm in.

galveston · Apr 10, 2009, 11:17 AM

So now we will get to see whether Obama is good for a home run, single, or just strike out.

NeedKarma · Apr 10, 2009, 12:41 PM

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So now we will get to see whether Obama is good for a home run, single, or just strike out.

Yes you are correct, it will be interesting to see whether he wins it in regulation time, or during the 4 on 4 overtime or in the shootout. Perhaps he'll hole it in from the bunker or have a buzzer beater or even hop over that last checker.

speechlesstx · Apr 10, 2009, 02:48 PM

CNN actually did a piece on this AND gave Hotair a hat tip. But go on, keep telling us it's all irrelevant and silly.

Wondergirl · Apr 10, 2009, 03:03 PM

President Obama wasn't bowing. If you look closely at the photo, you see that the other men in the circle were also bent over looking at what was in front of the Saudi king. President Obama was probably showing off pictures of his daughters or maybe photos of some of the presidential dog contenders. Or maybe they were doing Paper, Stone, and Scissors.

excon · Apr 10, 2009, 03:13 PM

Hello again:

Obama bowing to the Right wing:

excon