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    Jul 17, 2008, 07:59 AM
    Another $50 billion to AIDs bill
    A $50 billion global AIDS spending bill (S. 2731) sponsored by Obama and McCain, was passed this week. The outcome, which included the addition of water projects for Indian reservations, demonstrated the complicity of both major political parties in out-of-control spending designed to benefit a powerful special interest group.

    The $200 billion already spent by U.S. taxpayers on HIV/AIDS here and around the world has not resulted in any cures or a vaccine.

    (In addition to spending $50 billion at a time of growing economic difficulties in the U.S. the bill lifts the ban on entry into the U.S. of AIDS-infected aliens, who could end up adding to the costs of the health care system.)

    Senate Passes Obama's AIDS Bill
    As much as I hate AIDS, all the money we've sent out there has done no good at all. Is the answer really that we should send even more or should we work more on a 'hands on' ideal. It seems to me the dictators of these poor countries will be the beneficiaries and the sufferers will continue to suffer.

    Do you see this as a good thing or another venture into useless spending?
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    Jul 17, 2008, 08:11 AM
    Yeah I hardly trust the money actually benefiting who it is meant for.
    Too many stories of how the money is spent before it gets where it is meant to go
    Just like the Live Aid benefit concerts.
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    Jul 17, 2008, 08:13 AM
    >Moved from Politics<
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    Jul 17, 2008, 08:32 AM
    PW consider it " winning hearts and minds " or an attempt to improve the world's opinion of us.
    the bill lifts the ban on entry into the U.S. of AIDS-infected aliens
    Interesting ;I just wonder how many people were denied entry back in the Ellis Island days due to having disease ?

    Seriously ;we should be researching cures for diseases . That way those evil big Pharma companies can further profit after they make a breakthrough.
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    Jul 17, 2008, 08:37 AM
    I agree we should be finding a cure or prevention

    I am thinking a Obama/McCain ticket would be a great winning ticket but which one would be VP?
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    Jul 17, 2008, 09:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    I agree we should be finding a cure or prevention

    I am thinking a Obama/McCain ticket would be a great winning ticket but which one would be VP?
    How about a co-presidency? They can flip for even/odd months.
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    Jul 17, 2008, 09:09 AM
    Sounds like a plan we are screwed either way!
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    Jul 17, 2008, 09:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    sounds like a plan we are screwed either way!
    What kind of change is that?
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    Jul 17, 2008, 09:19 AM
    Same old story different scenario??
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    Jul 17, 2008, 10:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    I agree we should be finding a cure or prevention

    I am thinking a Obama/McCain ticket would be a great winning ticket but which one would be VP?
    That same thought just crossed my mind. Maybe then, the American people would move in hordes to vote Libertarian.
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    Jul 17, 2008, 10:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by purplewings
    That same thought just crossed my mind. Maybe then, the American people would move in hordes to vote Libertarian.
    A like your idea, but there are too many who envy those with 'more', who use their days whining with hands extended.
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    Jul 17, 2008, 11:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    I agree we should be finding a cure or prevention
    There is a prevention. Condoms! But the Church / Pope won't have that!!
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    Jul 18, 2008, 02:48 AM
    Condoms get passed out in Africa despite Vatican objections and it has had no effect on the problem. If condoms were the solution then why does the world continue to ask us to contribute more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the problem ?
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    Jul 18, 2008, 02:53 PM
    There is a simple cure for Aids. When my wife and I married, we had to have a blood test for communicable disease. When both spouses are clean and a MONOGAMOS life style is followed, there cannot be any transfer of any std. (Exception being getting bad blood from a transfusion). Children born to such a union could NOT get aids.
    Of course, it won't work! People are so stinkin' self centered, worshipping at the altar of PLEASURE!
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    Jul 20, 2008, 04:24 PM
    Yeah Galveston. That's a real simple option for people in Africa!
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    Jul 20, 2008, 04:27 PM
    I agree with Tomder and Galveston but I see the system and people saying one thing and doing another so the problem will never be solved
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    Jul 20, 2008, 04:34 PM
    So Tom your saying condoms don't prevent HIV? Are you insisting they don't work at all. Or just for Africans? Perhaps if they aren't having an effect it is because they aren't handing enough out. Or perhaps it is because people listen to the church and don't wear them?
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    Jul 20, 2008, 04:49 PM
    Maybe people HAVE them and do not always use them.
    Many people do have that 'it won't happen to me' or 'she LOOKS healthy' mentality.

    Also they are not always effective.

    Like the CDC, the State Department's Agency for International Development (USAID) has censored its web site to remove information on the effectiveness of condoms. As recently as February 2003, USAID's web site included two detailed documents on condom effectiveness. The document The Effectiveness of Condoms in Preventing Sexually Transmitted Infections stated: “Latex condoms are highly effective in prevention of HIV/AIDS” and “Public and government support for latex condoms is essential for disease prevention.”[5] The document USAID: HIV/AIDS and Condoms also stated that condoms are “highly effective for preventing HIV infection.” It called condom distribution a “cornerstone of USAID's HIV prevention strategy.”[6]

    USAID then substantially altered its web site. The document The Effectiveness of Condoms in Preventing Sexually Transmitted Infections is no longer available. The document USAID: HIV/AIDS and Condoms states only that “condom use can reduce the risk of HIV infection” and “[w]hile no barrier method is 100 percent effective, correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of transmission of HIV and some other STIs.” Politics & Science - Investigating the State of Science Under the Bush Administration

    Also some claim that condoms contain microscopic holes for 'breathing' which are somewhat bigger than HIV and herpes. Naval Research Laboratories is one of them that make that claim.
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    Jul 20, 2008, 05:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    Maybe people HAVE them and do not always use them.
    Many people do have that 'it won't happen to me' or 'she LOOKS healthy' mentality.

    Also they are not always effective.

    Like the CDC, the State Department’s Agency for International Development (USAID) has censored its web site to remove information on the effectiveness of condoms. As recently as February 2003, USAID’s web site included two detailed documents on condom effectiveness. The document The Effectiveness of Condoms in Preventing Sexually Transmitted Infections stated: “Latex condoms are highly effective in prevention of HIV/AIDS” and “Public and government support for latex condoms is essential for disease prevention.”[5] The document USAID: HIV/AIDS and Condoms also stated that condoms are “highly effective for preventing HIV infection.” It called condom distribution a “cornerstone of USAID’s HIV prevention strategy.”[6]

    USAID then substantially altered its web site. The document The Effectiveness of Condoms in Preventing Sexually Transmitted Infections is no longer available. The document USAID: HIV/AIDS and Condoms states only that “condom use can reduce the risk of HIV infection” and “[w]hile no barrier method is 100 percent effective, correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of transmission of HIV and some other STIs.” Politics & Science - Investigating the State of Science Under the Bush Administration

    Also some claim that condoms contain microscopic holes for 'breathing' which are somewhat bigger than HIV and herpes. Naval Research Laboratories is one of them that make that claim.
    Well maybe that means we need to teach people that that mentality isn't the right mentality. Or do we juyst gove up and say it isn't working.

    I think you'll find Nohelp that it is widely accepted that condom use is over 90% effective in prevention of HIV transfer / infection.
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    Jul 20, 2008, 05:05 PM
    When people bother to use them. I think they said it is like a 2% rate of breakage.
    I am not saying give up and sure Tomder and Galveston are not either but rather that there has to be some better approach and as long as they remain as is even an increase in what they are doing will not necessarily be effective. Some other better approach needs to be thought of.

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