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phunkyb1tch86 · Feb 22, 2007, 07:21 PM

My boyfriend and I are going to leave the country in a couple days for a 5 ngiht vacation. His court ruling just ended and he was put under 2 years probabtion and a misdemeanor. It says he can't leave the state without his probation officer's approval, but nothing about the country. Is there anyway this is bad? Can the passport people find out?
Thanks, I'm just really nerrvous

shygrneyzs · Feb 22, 2007, 07:34 PM

Oh my.. Do you think leaving the country is not leaving the state? Sorry, but he needs to get permission from his P.O. His P.O. finds out and it is tough luck on your boyfriend. Do it right and get permission. Then you do not have to be nervous.

Nosnosna · Feb 22, 2007, 07:44 PM

This is most certainly a violation of his probation.

Records are kept of international travel. I don't know how much checking they do, but I certainly wouldn't take the risk.

Fr_Chuck · Feb 22, 2007, 07:57 PM

What part of another county do you think your state is in??

You don't honestly think that he could not go to Tennessee but it would be OK to go to Canada??

Come on, no one can be serious about this. Of course he is not going any where in a few days, he can not leave the county without his probation officers permission. If he does go, he will most likely end up in jail for the rest of his probation.

So unless his PO says he can go, you need to figure some other trip.

phunkyb1tch86 · Feb 22, 2007, 08:06 PM

Listen, I was just saying there was NOTHING about international travel. Is there any way the people checking passports can look up your background? Because if he is not meeting his officer till march 7, and hasn't yet. I'm not worried about his probation officer finding out but just kbeing able to travel.

shygrneyzs · Feb 22, 2007, 08:15 PM

You said leave the country. Now if that is not leaving the United States, what is?
You think you can pull a fast one and get it by the P.O.

Nosnosna · Feb 22, 2007, 08:31 PM

You really should worry about his probation officer finding out, because that will put him in jail for the remainder of the probation term. Period, end of story.

They probably do check. With the heightened security, it's likely that his status is associated directly with his passport. If that's the case, they not only have the probation violation, they have a very strong case for tacking on additional charges related to fleeing jurisdiction.

Might I suggest a nice trip to a state park?

Fr_Chuck · Feb 22, 2007, 08:32 PM

You should be worried about him being caught, and of course criminal records are done on anyone flying now adays.

And there is a record of his travel. So what you are saying is you want your boyfriend to go back to jail, and don't care if he does, since you don't care about the PO finding out.

NOT leaving the state is just that you don't go out side the border of your state.

So if he leaves the county, he is breaking his probation before it hardly gets started and he will go back to jail.

Just let him keep his bags packed when he comes back.

phunkyb1tch86 · Feb 22, 2007, 08:38 PM

I don't understand why I am being attacked. I obviously don't want him to go to jail. Who do you think I am anyway?

shygrneyzs · Feb 22, 2007, 08:41 PM

Someone who is trying to find an excuse or loophole to get their boyfriend out of the country on a vacation.

phunkyb1tch86 · Feb 22, 2007, 08:44 PM

He's the one telling me not to worry and won't ask his PO...

Nosnosna · Feb 22, 2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by phunkyb1tch86

I don't understand why i am being attacked. I obviously dont want him to go to jail. who do you think i am anyways?

You're not being attacked. Your attitude is.

You said you don't care if his PO finds out. Well, that means you don't care if he goes to jail, because that's what will happen if his PO finds out.

You can tell if you're leaving the state just by looking at a map. Find your state. Find the country you're going to visit. Is that country inside your state? If not, then you're leaving the state.

phunkyb1tch86 · Feb 22, 2007, 08:55 PM

Update:
My boyfriend is going to the PO tomorrow.
Are there usually problems with being allowed to go to mexico for a couple of nights for a vacation?
Please, I need advice ASAP. Thank you.

Nosnosna · Feb 22, 2007, 09:02 PM

In general, he needs prior approval to leave jurisdiction, and he needs permission from his destination, and any locations he'll be in en route. Whether he'll get permission or not depends in large part on the nature of the offense, but everybody involved will have to be in agreement on whether he can go or not.

phunkyb1tch86 · Feb 22, 2007, 09:04 PM

We're leaving Sunday. Can this be done?

Nosnosna · Feb 22, 2007, 09:11 PM

Unfortunately, probably not. Paperwork in general takes a while, and international paperwork takes much much longer than domestic paperwork.

phunkyb1tch86 · Feb 22, 2007, 09:15 PM

Are you serious? His court ruling was on Monday, he hasn't even met his PO yet... is it possible at all?

Fr_Chuck · Feb 22, 2007, 10:26 PM

No it is not possible, if he called today, most likely it would take a week or two to get an answer about just leaving the state, out of the county should take about that, unless the PO has to OK it from his supervisor,

Most likely he will have to meet with the PO, explain the nature of the trip, the exact details of where, and where he will be staying.
And apply in writing, this will have to be oked,
( and this is the government, nothing is fast)

So no ( OK well he should call anyway, who knows he may have a OK PO that will say OK go since it was already planned. But for heavens sake don't go without permission

excon · Feb 23, 2007, 06:36 AM

Hello phunky:

I don't think he'll get caught... But, I've been wrong before, hence my name. However, I don't think you should go. The risk reward ratio is way out of whack...

In my opinion, the risk of spending 2 years in the slam verses spending 5 nights in a beautiful Mexican resort, just doesn't pan out. NOW, if you were asking me to risk 2 years in the slam for, say, $1,000,000, then I'd listen...

What I don't understand, is why you arranged this trip for this time? After being charged with a crime and going through a trial with the distinct possibility of being sentenced to prison, planning a wonderful vacation would be the FARTHEST thing from my mind.

excon

ScottGem · Feb 23, 2007, 06:45 AM

Let me try to put this into some perspective. If you were told to not take ONE step, does that mean its OK to take TWO steps. Even though you weren't specifically told you couldn't take two steps, to take that second step, don't you have to take the first step first? So how you can think that leaving the country doesn't involve leaving the state?

I can understand you have just been through an ordeal (the court case) and you want to relax and celebrate. But you shouldn't have made plans until you knew the final results of the case.

All international travel is monitored, you have to have a passport to fly to Mexico now. There is a strong possibility that such travel will be reported back to the PO.

So the bottom line is he needs to meet with his PO, explain the circumstances and get permission to travel. It might be that the PO will give an OK or it might be that it has to go through a more lengthy approval process. Or it might be denied entirely. And you NEED to abide by whatever the PO says.