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Old Jun 4, 2006, 05:51 PM
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Right to Bear Arms

I am just curious about everyone's thoughts regarding the Second Amendment and the Right to Bear Arms. I am specifically curious to hear from those of you that live in countries that have been forced to give up your arms.

Are there more crimes now than before?

If you live in the US I am curious to find out who would willingly relinquish their personal firearms, whether used for protection or for hunting to feed families.

I know this may spur a debate, however, we had one recently in my American History class on this subject, but there wasn't anyone from a foreign country to speak up, only blogs that were posted on the internet about the rise in crime in places like England and Australia.

Just curious

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Old Jun 6, 2006, 09:29 AM   #31  
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Magprob brings up a good point...

If a "tyrannical government" came to power in the USA to a point where armed citizens were fighting with soldiers in the streets, do you really believe US soldiers would engage thier own citizens in combat?

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Marj Ann agrees: If you're NOT of the strong opinion the U.S. govt. is ALREADY TYRINICAL, I suggest you're NOT paying attention. Our troops are primarily ELSEWHERE or ill w/Depleted Uranium. It's a moot point! + foreign troops ARE here + 12,000 illegals
 
 
     
 
 
Old Jun 6, 2006, 09:35 AM   #32  
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I dont believe that US soldiers would engage US citizens, I do believe if neocons get their way for the New World Order it would not be US soliders, they would try to bring off shore troop, which would only create a total all out war.
 
 
     
 
 
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There already are foriegn troops on U.S. soil. The government knows that U.S. troops would turn over if ordered to shoot Americans in the street. Remember all of those bases they shut down a while back? They are still top secret and no tresspassing. What could those bases really be for? Hummmm!

But, some troops would shoot their own if ordered to. Some folks just can't survive without being told exactly what to do. Such a shame.

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Marj Ann agrees: Magprob: HURRAY! I seem to have stumbled into a site with well informed THINKING people! I'm IMPRESSED to such sensible, informed posts! I just learned flags on federal bldgs around the U.S. are quietly being CHANGED to Martial Law flags. WHOA!
 
 
     
 
 
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Where they foreign troops I saw firing on students during the demonstrations in the 60's???? Didn't look it to me

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Marj Ann agrees: Exactly WHY America was never SUPPOSED to have 'a standing army in time or peace' OR a paid police force'! Citizens/men 15-up IS the ARMED Militia +Posse Comitus. Citizen arrests & PEACE OFFICERS kept the Law. 1 elected/armed official; Sheriff.
 
 
     
 
 
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Kent state will be repeated unless we have learned our lesson!
 
 
     
 
 
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Remember Katrina? Remember seeing armed military kicking in doors on relatively undamaged homes & literally dragging homeowners out, confiscating any weapons they owned? Can anyone tell me "What the HECK for"! That WAS AFTER a hurricane & those were families that had weathered the WORST! They were the fortunate ones; NOT flooded out, asking for HELP or homeless, right? Then what about Article 1V: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers & effects AGAINSTUNREASONABLE SEARCHES & SEIZURES SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED". Sad to say All of America just watched it happen on TV & to my knowledge, none QUESTIONED, objected or said ANYTHING! ~ Kinda' reminds me of a couple of other similar instances most heard about or watched on TV. In New Orleans, these were ordinary, peaceful Americans just weathering a STORM for pete's Sakes!It was never suggested any of those people had been accused of or were violating ANYTHING. Still, I saw them treated as roughly as hardened criminals and saw their lawful weapons being confiscated. DISARMED [by those who WERE, of course] From what I heard and saw, there was PLENTY for police & military to DO without kicking in the doors of people that had and were continuing to MANAGE on their own, peacefully in their OWN homes. Hummm I'd hate to suspect that part was a DRESS REHEARSAL; for what ALL of 'We The People'; FREE Americans can 'expect' during the NEXT 'emergency'??? Bird Flu? Another 'terror alert'? Does anyone realize that at any SECOND the President can announce & declare MARTIAL LAW? Sad to say, the Constitution AND Bill of Rights are being shredded as we're discussing the matter. Have we been sold out? That would be MY opinion. Scary, isn't it.

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magprob agrees: Nice observation. I guess this is what it has come to. So now what?
 
 
     
 
 
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I agree with Phillysteakandchees, I'm frightened with the Armed population of America it seams like everyone wants one in their home JUST IN CASE someone else comes into your home with one. I guess it just sound strange to me as its just not like that in Australia. If someone came into my home I would be terrified but it does not consume my thoughts enough to have a lethal weapon in my home at all times JUST IN CASE. I agree that there are several objects that crimes are committed with like knives and needles but almost everything could be a lethal weapon. NeedKarma I agree with you totally if I HAD to have a gun to protect my self at all times, or frightened I'd have to protect my self with a gun .. I'd move!!

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Marj Ann agrees: If you ALREADY know you'd be terrified, can't you...[and WHY WOULDN'T you want ] to get hand gun training?
 
 
     
 
 
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But, my question Lungie is

Don't only criminals carry guns in your part of the world?

People here really do not carry knives, except maybe a pocket knife used to open things. Criminals here carry guns, and we have to be prepared to defend ourselves if necessary.
Yes criminals carry guns but I dont see the need to carry "in case" they target me, I hate the thought of millions of people carrying guns, it just seams so unsafe. Also our guns dont appear to be as accessible as in the USA, altho if you really, really want one you can and if someone wants to kill you they will not wait until you draw your gun and have a shoot out. I dont believe that Australians have the opinion that we need to protect out selves at all times.
 
 
     
 
 
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There already are foriegn troops on U.S. soil ... Remember all of those bases they shut down a while back? They are still top secret and no tresspassing. What could those bases really be for? Hummmm!
Do you honestly believe that formerly closed military bases house a secret "invasion force" that is just waiting to emerge and take over the United States? Do you think the country with the largest military force in the world is somehow preparing or keeping its enemies fed, clothed, sheltered, and supplied right in their own back yard so that some mysterious day it can be unleashed for a fight?

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Remember Katrina? Remember seeing armed military kicking in doors on relatively undamaged homes & literally dragging homeowners out, confiscating any weapons they owned?
It makes complete sense in context of the event. Everyone is armed. There's no food, no water, no power, no law and order... basically, everything you need for a complete breakdown of civility. Without that authority exerting control, it would have continued to dwindle down into an "every man for himself" fight with citizens killing each other for a can of soup...

Gaining control over a paniced public is required to maintain public safety. No one likes that, but it's necessary. Single individuals can be rational, but a mob mentality is dangerous.


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Does anyone realize that at any SECOND the President can announce & declare MARTIAL LAW?
And this is nothing new - When was the last time the entire USA was placed under martial law? Even on 9/11 there was no martial law imposed for the "public safety". This is a scare tactic you use to profess why your "gun love" is so important.

It's this kind of conspiracy theory that scares me... All these irrational fears, people runing around with guns, any attempt to bring order from chaos seen as "government oppression" ... where does it end?

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magprob agrees: OK fine. But when it hits the fan stay on your side of the fence and GOD help you if you try to even touch my can of soup! :)
 
 
     
 
 
Old Jun 7, 2006, 09:00 AM   #40  
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Lungie, if you take the passive stance and just let an armed person control you, if it ever happens, then that is your choice. I, on the other hand, wish to be on an even playing field. I believe in killing before being killed if there is even just 1/2 a chance of survival. With that, you must be aware of your surroundings and prepared to do what is needed. Most people are not. Criminals know that, therefore, you present easy pray.

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Lungie agrees: Thats just it I do not believe that "an armed person" is controling me at all I see it the other way around others feel like they have to carry a gun, I see that as the control
 
 
     

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