I wouldn't instinctively take sides either. At one time, I would have believed the
cop, having been one for over 20 years and retired. I know from personal
experience and the experiences of a few other good cops that if you get
"on the wrong side" of either of the aforementioned, you'd probably be a
lot safer being on the wrong side of the accused. The cops have so many
ways of mustering a battallion of other supposedly ethical and forthright
agencies against you if they're "pissed off" enough.
I know I can not count the times, I had someone in custody, often locked in the back of the car, they would beat thier head against the screen or window and then claim I beat them on the way to the police station.
I had one where I had three suspects all handcuffed, going down a flight of stairs, the one in the back slipped and knocked the other two down the flight of steps, of course all three claimed I pushed them.
So yes, from years of personal experience I would opt to believe the officer first
Its really about WHY this is happening. I'm sure we love to demand less violence. The bad dudes won't allow that.
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Originally Posted by Couchcarrot
I wouldn't instinctively take sides either. you'd probably be a lot safer being on the wrong side of the accused. The cops have so many
ways of mustering a battallion of other supposedly ethical and forthright
agencies against you if they're "pissed off" enough.
Hello again:
Couple things... I'm gonna take the above votes as a YES, they believe the prisoner. Although the Padre talked about all the times when the CONVICT was lying, he didn't mention any times he knows about when the COP was lying....
I'll bet he knows of a few...
But, I'm not looking for tit for tat. It doesn't make it EVEN when a prisoner is assaulted because cops get assaulted by other prisoners. I believe we should expect BETTER.
Apparently, 21 agrees with me, but he says it's not the cops fault - because "the bad dudes won't allow it". I don't, of course, subscribe to that notion.
I appreciate Couch for saying what he did... My post, although it was about punching a prisoner, is really about retaliation. There is no doubt about what he's saying. Cops DO retaliate.
Whats my point???? I dunno. How is it working for YOU, having your cops DO that?
My post, although it was about punching a prisoner, is really about retaliation.
Retaliation as in hating the officer or suspect or a racial problem, or just against the repeated conditions in re-acting by an officer?
We are humans and at times we make rash decisions. re -act instead of Act. It happens as kids and at home family/friends and at the work place. At times everyone becomes susceptible. I've worked in a prison and it was amazing when you talk with the prisoners how many supposedly are Innocent. I view the policemen job as a soldier in a war. There is always collateral damage in that environment. Yes there are innocent people at the wrong place at the wrong time. Same as a police officer could make a wrong decision on re acting and not acting. Personally I would believe more the law abiding citizen ( officer) than the suspect. We have the courts to figure out the rest. An officer is our first and last line of defense on the streets, other than the national guard. They are and should be held to a higher accountability for honesty and trust that we citizens ask and expect of him/her. If not then its back to the cave man old west days. Which may still happen at this rate.
I guess the equation here is how often police brutally happens and its all about percentiles of whats acceptable or not and at what level. In turn as I hear about police brutality when its made public. I would think its only fair to also put on the news the brutality the police officer deals with and goes through on a daily basis. The true Equal. Not what the liberal media chooses to edit and take out of context. At least the show "cops" shows how often a suspect cries brutality and after watching the chase to arrest all on tape form beginning to end, and see the suspect scream brutality after we saw none. The to watch them beat there heads against the car window to try and get a bruise to get BACK at the arresting officers speaks for itself.
They day we loose all faith in our police is the day we lose our cities and towns and the U.S. Back to the dark ages.
Yep is amazing how we spent all that money to build a jail for all those Innocent people. it seems to go along with, how many prisoners say " I found Jesus" I didn't know He was lost.
Or I was drunk when it happened or drug ed and its not my fault. I have yet to see someone force a person to drink alcohol or take the drug. Its the people that makes the drugs fault that put me in jail. The classic is. "I din't do nothin" , and its all on tape. And then its "Thats not me"
Yep is amazing how we spent all that money to build a jail for all those Innocent people. it seems to go along with, how many prisoners say " I found Jesus" I didn't know He was lost.
Or I was drunk when it happened or drug ed and its not my fault. I have yet to see someone force a person to drink alcohol or take the drug. Its the people that makes the drugs fault that put me in jail. The classic is. "I din't do nothin" , and its all on tape. And then its "Thats not me"
I'm an investigator and I hear the same thing all the time. "I didn't do it and if I did, I had good reason."
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