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    angelico Posts: 6, Reputation: 2
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    Dec 29, 2006, 10:06 PM
    Walmart associate told my dad to go back to mexico!
    My father was told this morning by an associate of Walmart to "go back to Mexico where you belong". My father is a U.S. citizen and U.S. Army Retired Veteran of Hispanic descent. Is this discrimination? He has filed a complaint with Walmart headquarters.

    Thanks for any input,
    Jorge
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    Dec 29, 2006, 10:16 PM
    Yes this is not Walmarts feelings by any means, they are well known at even hiring illegal aliens of hispanci descent.

    But people do sterotype people and people often have strong view points of illegal aliens in our nation.

    But at work people are not allowed to express personal beleifs.

    I would say while it is not proper, and it is against walmart policy and I am sure walmart will punish this person,

    While you have no case against walmart, you may be able to sue the person who said it, but you would or may havve to prove he said it.
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    Dec 29, 2006, 11:21 PM
    First, it is NOT discrimination.

    According to the Canadian Human Rights Commission:

    Discrimination means treating people differently, negatively or adversely because of their race, age, religion, sex, etc. that is because of a prohibited ground of discrimination. As used in human rights laws, discrimination means making a distinction between certain individuals or groups based on a prohibited ground of discrimination.


    Second,
    I doubt he will be punished by Walmart if this is his FIRST complaint. Although if he has had many before, then it increases the changes of him being disciplined in some way by Walmart.


    Third,
    I am not sure I agree with Fr Chuck on your ability to sue him. What damage did he cause to your father? None really.

    Now, you have not elaborated on the situations that lead to him saying this, so I am assuming your father did something that pissed this guy off. If that is an incorrect assumption, then please advise.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 10:01 AM
    Here in the US esp with help from like the ACLU they are really looking at
    "hate speech"

    Think in court the poor victim now afraid with all the mental pain to even go shopping again. Of course no high profile attorney will take it unless there is someone to sue that actually has money.

    But again esp here in the US being right, having a good case means little anyone can sue anyone.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 11:40 AM
    Good points Fr Chuck.

    The US does seem “sue happy”.

    And the ACLU….I am not even going to go down that road as to what I think of them overall.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 02:10 PM
    Not an endorcement of the ACLU, by any means

    I don't thing they have a real case either, but then Donald Trump put up a US flag knowing it was against code just so he could sue the city.
    So I guess anyone can sue for anything since they accepted that case.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 02:31 PM
    Did not know my son wrote to you, this happen to me, everyone has an opinion. This is what happen: This letter was sent to walmart hq:
    I went to store #406, 570 Enon Springs Rd. Smyrna, TN. 37167. The man behind the cash register at the auto service department, (later I find out his name is boyd or something similar to that name) ask if he can help, I said I need a tire, his reply was "I help you when I finish with this couple that also buying tires" I said OK.
    When he finish with the couple I was standing right in front of him and he proceed to ask a lady that just came to the area if he can help, when he finish with the lady a young man show up and he proceed to ask him if he need any help, it took about 15 minute to help the young man.
    I just stood in front of the cash register where he was standing. After he finish with the young man he said to me I'm sorry may I help you. I said "I just have one question, Why you took care of those people before me, when you know I was here first" His reply was "I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOUR S**T" at that time I said "IS THE COLOR OF MY SKIN?. To my surprise his reply was "GO BACK TO MEXICO WHERE YOU BELONG". I told him "you are nothing but a racist son of a gun". At that time I talk to another walmart employee and he got a manager to which I report this offensive and racist remark. For your information I'am a US citizen of the Hispanic race, retired from the U.S. ARMY. I expect to hear from you soon. Thanks
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    Dec 30, 2006, 02:34 PM
    He probably told your dad to go back because your dad said something in an impolite tone or he doesn't know good english. Anyhow complain about this. Bye bye.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 04:48 PM
    yumyumyoyo, never cross your mind that the walmart employee might just be a racist? All your examples are negative about me, without knowing me.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 05:24 PM
    There are racist people in the world, and of course the first thing you thougt of was race when you did not get good service??

    But I have to just say, SO WHAT, so you ran into a racist employee at a store, you will find 1000's. You may get slow service at Denny's, you may get cursed at McDonalds tomorrow.

    It happens, it is part of the culture, there are churches all around the US today teaching people that the white man is the partner of satan and the real black Jesus is coming back to save the black man from the white devils.

    So guess what I bet I will not get good service from any of those people when I go into many business.

    I know as a fact that Walmart as a company does not allow or accept this type of behavior, but I also know that just one case will not get them fired either, they will investigate it, make a note of it and watch to see if it happens again. And if this person is racist, it will.

    And I am sorry it is happening but the illegal immigration issues in America today have many people angry. Our governments complete inaction in stopping the flood of illegals from many nations is steaming more and more people to have feelings they normllay may not have.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 05:31 PM
    Angelico,

    The employee consistently refused to serve you. The company's profits are dependent on clients being served. You have grounds for a complaint. Check out the legal situation in your state, you MAY have grounds for a case.

    Fr. Chuck,

    This man is a former US serviceman and a US Citizen of hispanic origin. Why should he be insulted in this way? Indeed I find your response both insulting and sub-christian.

    Rev. Dr. Ray McIntyre aka Kiwimac
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    Dec 30, 2006, 06:06 PM
    Totally agree with you, I feel the same way. Work all my life, never been unemployed or ask for any government help. (I do not blame walmart for one bad apple). My son wrote to this forum without asking me first. Never cross my mind to sue walmart like the other gentleman suggest. I just let walmart know about the inappropriate behavior of one of their employee. Thanks for your input.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 07:12 PM
    First, let me say that you were more patient than I would have been. Given the facts as you presented them, I would have spoken up when he bypassed me the first time. It sounds to me you did exactly the right thing in reporting the behavior to a manager.

    My question though is what do you want at this point? Your son asked if this was discrimination. Its not. You might have a case against them as a hate crime, but do you have any witnesses to the incident?

    My advice is to follow up with Walmart to see what action was taken against the employee.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 07:37 PM
    One of the employee was next to him when he made his first explicit comment, two employee were at the bay area when he made the second comment. I know that they have tape of everything. P.S. I care for every race regardless of what country they from. (I, have never travel to Mexico in my whole life)
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    Dec 30, 2006, 07:52 PM
    OK, so you have proof. That still didn't answer what you want out of this.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 08:08 PM
    When this happen all I want was to let walmart know about his behavior, so this don't happen to someone else in the future, at least from this individual. But the more I think about it the more agravated I get, I don't know how far I will pursue this matter.
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    Dec 30, 2006, 08:21 PM
    OK, I understand you are upset and deservedly so. But I suggest you sit back and see what Walmart does. You really have very little, if any, grounds to do anything more. To pursue an action against Walmart would require proof that Walmart promotes or allows such behavior. A very hard thing to prove. You might go for a hate crime but that's also iffy.
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    Dec 31, 2006, 06:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by angelico
    (I, have never travel to Mexico in my whole life)
    Hola:

    Nunca?? Es muy bonito ayee. Oyga bien ah me los compadres. Son, muy intelligentes aqui, sin yo.

    excon

    PS> Loceintos para me Espanyol malo
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    Dec 31, 2006, 10:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by angelico
    My father was told this morning by an associate of Walmart to "go back to Mexico where you belong". My father is a U.S. citizen and U.S. Army Retired Veteran of Hispanic descent. Is this discrimination? He has filed a complaint with Walmart headquarters.

    Thanks for any input,
    Jorge

    Go, Jorge! Take them for all they have. I trust that the newspapers and tv/radio media have been notified of this condign act of discrimination. If not, I suggest that they are forthwith.

    God bless you and your family.
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    Dec 31, 2006, 10:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottGem
    OK, so you have proof. That still didn't answer what you want out of this.

    He wanted 'input!' That means, he invited others to give him advice, comfort, support, etc. Criticism you can get at Wal-Mart, but he came here for direction.

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