 | | | Why did Jesus Christ establish a Church?
Asked Jan 10, 2010, 11:06 PM
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381 Answers It seems to me that there may be several reasons why Jesus established The Church.  How many reasons can you think of as to why he did?  Peace and kindness  ,
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Apr 14, 2010, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Athos You are welcome. | Then, one can always find something like this on WikiAnswers: "after the death of christ the 12 dissipels continued to represent the core of christianity, each was sent to a different area to be the local spiritual leader. One was sent to rome and when the roman empire turned to christianity he gained lots of political power eventually proclayming himself "the pope" and claiming he was infalluble. That was the beginning on roman catholics."
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Apr 14, 2010, 09:33 AM
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Do you have a source for that info? I'd like to dig deeper. | | |  | Senior Member | |
Apr 14, 2010, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl Then, then one can always find something like this on WikiAnswers: "after the death of christ the 12 dissipels continued to represent the core of christianity, each was sent to a different area to be the local spiritual leader. One was sent to rome and when the roman empire turned to christianity he gained lots of political power eventually proclayming himself "the pope" and claiming he was infalluble. That was the beginning on roman catholics."
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Apr 14, 2010, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dwashbur Athos,
Do you have a source for that info? I'd like to dig deeper. | Not a single source with each detail, but here's a start --
Oxford English Dictionary under "Roman Catholic" describes the diplomatic details causing the term to come into use, and attests the earliest use as of 1605.
Vatican II documents can be found on-line and you will not find a single instance of the phrase - not proof, but interesting.
There are on-line Catholic Encylopedias which I'm sure will reward a diligent search. (I'll do this myself later today, and will pass on any info I find).
Of course, your local library has many tomes on Catholic Church history, and the English Reformation. | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Apr 14, 2010, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl Back up the bus, Joe. What was going on with the Early Church between Jesus' resurrection and 325? | Sure. You expect me to believe that once you close the bible, God can no longer reveal His truth to us? And, what better vehicle to use then HIS Church? Who would refuse such a thing? To ‘back up the bus’ is exactly what the so-called reformers did. Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl Weren't there a number of independent congregations headed by bishops, and gradually large episcopacies were established in Alexandria and Athens and Rome? | Synods, Patriarchal or National Councils, and Diocesan synods could affect as few as one more Diocese. And each of these falls into one of three categories, concilia plenaria, universalia, or generalia . Some synods were held to voice various opinions over theological views such as the Holy Trinity. Some simply regarded the corporate Church, whether or not to send an envoy or something like that. But, in order to meet the rank of “Ecumenical Councils” they needed to be recognized by the Pope before they became a matter of faith. If you’re interested the following link explains it in more detail: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: General Councils
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Apr 14, 2010, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeT777 Sure. You expect me to belief that once you close the bible, God can no longer reveal His truth to us? | Joe, Joe, Joe. I was on YOUR side, trying to help you fine-tune it all. | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Apr 14, 2010, 07:24 PM
| | | Lumen Gentium, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church never uses the term Roman Catholic Church.
At best it uses the term Catholic Church, capitalizing the C of Catholic
Ive always heard that Roman Catholic Church didn't come about until after the Protestant schism. Since the early fathers, it was generally referred to as the Church of Christ. And, that's exactly how Lumen Gentium refers to the Chruch, ie. The Church of Christ This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth". This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity... Israel according to the flesh, which wandered as an exile in the desert, was already called the Church of God. So likewise the new Israel which while living in this present age goes in search of a future and abiding city is called the Church of Christ. For He has bought it for Himself with His blood, has filled it with His Spirit and provided it with those means which befit it as a visible and social union. God gathered together as one all those who in faith look upon Jesus as the author of salvation and the source of unity and peace, and established them as the Church that for each and all it may be the visible sacrament of this saving unity. While it transcends all limits of time and confines of race, the Church is destined to extend to all regions of the earth and so enters into the history of mankind. Moving forward through trial and tribulation, the Church is strengthened by the power of God's grace, which was promised to her by the Lord, so that in the weakness of the flesh she may not waver from perfect fidelity, but remain a bride worthy of her Lord, and moved by the Holy Spirit may never cease to renew herself, until through the Cross she arrives at the light which knows no setting. (Emphasis is mine)
Cf. Dogmatische Konstitution ber die Kirche LUMEN GENTUIM The proper name of the Roman Catholic Church is The Church of Christ. Her people are called the people of God.
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Apr 14, 2010, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl Joe, Joe, Joe. I was on YOUR side, trying to help you fine-tune it all. | Oops; did I step in it again? | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Apr 14, 2010, 10:49 PM
| | | The name of The Church IS in the Bible. It is called The Church.
Later the name was changed. It is STILL The Church.
For those who continue to say that the bible does not support the idea that the Catholic Church is The Church are expressing what they believe or think or wish but NOT what the bible says.
Joe has done a marvelous job explaining and showing what the bible says about The Church in the old and new Testaments.
Either accept what he has provided or don't.
It's a person's own self to decide what to believe or not.
I once believed the Catholic Church was very wrong and talked against it for years but after much time and struggling and study I change my mind. Though I had help from various people to open my mind and eyes it was I who made the decision to change what I believed.
I could have decided not to.
The same goes for all here, believe as you wish or want.
It will not change the facts at all.   | | |  | Ultra Member | |
Apr 15, 2010, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by arcura The name of The Church IS in the Bible. It is called The Church.
Later the name was changed. It is STILL The Church.
For those who continue to say that the bible does not support the idea that the Catholic Church is The Church are expressing what they believe or think or wish but NOT what the bible says.
Joe has done a marvelous job explaining and showing what the bible says about The Church in the old and new Testaments.
Either accept what he has provided or don't.
It's a person's own self to decide what to believe or not.
I once believed the Catholic Church was very wrong and talked against it for years but after much time and struggling and study I change my mind. Though I had help from various people to open my mind and eyes it was I who made the decision to change what I believed.
I could have decided not to.
The same goes for all here, believe as you wish or want.
It will not change the facts at all.    | Fred you keep telling us you have found the one true church but the reality is that tradition doesn't make it so. God said long ago he wanted those who worshiped him in spirit and in truth, so the church is comprised of those who do so. We don't need your help to see the truth, God gave us his Holy Spirit for that purpose, and you shouldn't have needed the help of others to see the truth. What I know is this; the church is a New Testament concept and that the church is people following Christ not an institution with a set of doctrines it has promulated for it's own purposes | | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | |
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