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Originally Posted by arcura  Golden_Girl,
I strongly disagree.
If you, or anyone, compares the earliest versions of the bible with those really good ones of today you will find them to be greatly similar.
Over the years there have been SOME translation corrections but no vast alterations your message seems to infer.
Peace and kindness,
Fred |
No Arcura, I strongly disagree.
For one moment I would like for everyone to stop and think of these situations, please take the time to read carefully. There is no single scriptural text in which Jesus claimed to be divine. In fact, there are numerous texts where he had mentioned not being of equal nature to God
(John 8: 28-29, 14: 10, 24. 28. 31. Mk. 13: 32, 10: 18). . It was he who stated that
“I can do nothing on my own authority” (John 5: 30).Even the
testimony of Paul, we find that the Book of Acts indicates that Paul was
accused of not telling the truth about the teachings of Jesus, an accusation which he did not deny but tried to justify (see Romans 3:7-8).
Even the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Cerinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus as a prophet of God, to name a few. Long after the departure of Jesus from earth, his faithful followers continued to "
keep up their daily attendance at the Temple" (Acts 2:46). It would be beyond belief to imagine that had Jesus indeed preached to his apostles that he was God, and if Jesus had indeed commanded them to forsake the commandments, that they would then disregard all of this and continue to worship in a Jewish synagogue.
Christian The "trinity" was not revealed by God Almighty or Jesus, but Trinitarian Christians believe in it. Why? I will explain why, the answer lies
in the council of Nicea of 325 CE. The concept of the
Trinity was not even introduced into Christianity until close to
four hundred years after Jesus . It was only then that "the Trinitarian dogma 'One God in three Persons' became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought ... it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development". The New Catholic Encyclopedia," Volume XIV, p. 295. This explains that even the The New Catholic Encyclopedia admited it that Jesus, John, Matthew, Luke, Mark, all of the apostles, and even Paul, were completely unaware of any "Trinity."
Emperor Constantine, the pagan emperor of the Romans, began to notice the increasing number of converts to the new faith among his subjects. This is the Romanized mythology in origin, the unqualified Trinitarianism, was added during the 4th century.
This matter should not be brushed aside so easily and in vain. "The controversy over the matter of the Trinity had in 318C.E. once again just blown up between two church men from Alexandria, Arius, the deacon, and Alexander, his bishop. The emperor sent these men many letters encouraging them to put aside their "trivial" disputes regarding the nature of God and the "number" of God, etc. Constantine realized that a unified church was necessary for a "strong kingdom". When negotiations failed to settle the dispute, the emperor called the "Council of Nicea" in order to resolve these, and other matters.
The council met and voted on whether Jesus (pbuh) was God or not. They effectively voted Jesus into the position of God with an amendment condemning all Christians who believed in the unity of God. There is even extensive proof that most of those who signed this decree did not actually believe in it or understand it but thought it politically expedient to do so." Additional beliefs were later combined in 431AD to give Mary, the mother of Jesus the title "Theotokos" (God-bearing). This is how she became known to us as "Mother of God."
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Historical origin of the "Trinity" myth
Taking a look at his Name. "Jesus" is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua, and means "a savior". The angel, addressing Joseph, said: "Thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). The word "Christ" is not a name. It is a Greek word transferred into the English language, and means "Anointed." Jesus Christ, therefore, means "The Anointed Jesus." The anointing of Jesus took place when he was 30 years of age, at the time he was baptized by John. Of this, said Peter--
"God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Jesus was to fulfill the three offices, which was clearly foretold by Moses and the prophets. The New Testament confirms all of these predictions. Therefore,
to truly know Jesus in the Bible sense, we must know what he taught as a Prophet. We must understand the sacrifice he offered as a Priest, and the ruling he will exercise as a King.
Jesus and God can not be co-equal because the Bible says "... my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). Obviously if God is greater than Jesus then they can not be equal. We also read: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32)
If Jesus and God were equal then it follows that they will be equal in knowledge. But as we can see, God is greater in knowledge than Jesus (pbuh).
God is claimed to have "begotten" Jesus. Jesus is claimed to be the "Son" of God. "Beget" is a verb which implies an action. No matter how you define what God actually did in order to "beget" Jesus, any definition must require that God Almighty performed some action and then Jesus came into being. Before God performed this action Jesus was not. After God performed this action Jesus came into being. Thus, not only is Jesus not eternal, since there was a time (before the "begetting") when he did not exist, but he can also never be co-eternal with God since God was in existence at a time when Jesus was not. This is very simple grade-school logic.
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Summary: What is a "Trinity"?
Through Moses, God said:
"I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him" (Deut. 18:18-19). He was to be like Moses, and would therefore fulfill similar functions. Moses was a prophet, a mediator, a lawgiver, and a ruler, or king. Being like unto Moses, Jesus must fulfill all these. Therefore, to reject Jesus' teaching is to disbelieve God, for "He that believeth not God hath made Him a liar" (l John 5:10).
It is true that Jesus (aka Yeshua as well as Isa) was one of the most greatest prophets and messengers. There are two extremes, "the Jews, who rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. And the Christians on the other hand, consider him to be the son of God and worship him as such."
The later versions of the bible only continues to be diluted and cause further divisions and sects of beliefs. Unfortunately, there were hundreds of scholars who were used to create and re-create different versions of the bible over the centuries. Scholars cannot fully agree with the work of other scholars. Sorry, but no translation was "inspired", because they were put together, altered, and adulterated by men. 'How can we know God preserved His inspired words precisely the way He revealed them thousands of years ago? How can we know which original texts are most accurate? There are, after all, thousands of “original” texts from which we get our translations.
We must go to God for the answer."
What’s Wrong With “New” Bible Translations? | Living | theTrumpet.com by the Philadelphia Church of God “What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God” (Romans 3:1-2).
It is fact that some bibles choose to leave verses out, while others may include. Causing divisions and separations in the church, leading further to multiples of denominations and sects, versions, and the additional false doctrine further added. From the Greek New Testament, the Roman Catholic Church, King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), NASB (New American Standard Bible), NKJV (New King James Version), etc. etc. Evern many of the "Christian" holidays are in fact pagan, "from Christmas" to "Easter"
Wrong Bible
We as humanity are supposed to worship the one God only, any further dietes and additions added to God is false, dogma, and polytheistic. The truth can at times be difficult to swallow. But fact is fact. It does not hurt as much to learn the one truth of God, and avoid the hypocrasies of man and such man-made dogmas.
Further Important References To Read:
Because God "gave His only begotten Son.."?:
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Because God "gave His only begotten Son.."?
How many "Sons" does God have?:
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - How many "Sons" does God have?
Christianity's true founder, Paul, admits fabrication:
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Christianity's true founder, Paul, admits fabrication
Because he was the "Image of God"?:
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Because he was the "Image of God"?
Because God was his "Father"?:
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Because God was his "Father"? What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Table Of Contents Prophet Jesus (PBUH) Never Claimed Divinity By Dr. Jamal Badawi What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Summary: What is a "Trinity"? The Trinity Doctrine. True or False ? Is There a Right and Wrong Translation of the Bible? The Trinity -- Fact or Fiction? Jesus Christ: Prophet, Priest, and King The Truth about Jesus Christ What are the ERRORS in the King James Version Bible? - Part 1 of 2
May God bless as always inshaallah...
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