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Old Mar 13, 2008, 07:54 PM
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Whats with the pope?

So, what is the deal with catholics and the pope? Why do they put such store in someone that is just a mere mortal like the rest of us?

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Old Mar 16, 2008, 03:28 PM   #11  
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Actually, it is a tradition that at the mass on the Thursday before Easter, the celebrating priest will wash the feet of twelve men.

Not the Pope?
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Not the Pope?
Well you have to realize the Pope ain't the Easter bunny so he can't be EVERYWHERE!
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Old Mar 16, 2008, 03:34 PM   #13  
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Not the Pope?

Yes, even the Pope.
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Old Mar 16, 2008, 03:44 PM   #14  
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Actually, it is a tradition that at the mass on the Thursday before Easter, the celebrating priest will wash the feet of twelve men.

Thanks for that link was very interesting. Perhaps Jesus was teaching his disciples a lesson and "setting the pattern" rather than establishing a ceremony. In any case, it's nice to see the Pope mingling in the crowds.
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Old Mar 18, 2008, 01:58 PM   #15  
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So, what is the deal with catholics and the pope? Why do they put such store in someone that is just a mere mortal like the rest of us?

Jesus established His Church and within that Church established an office which would contain the man who would lead His Church after Jesus went to the Father:

John 21 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.


We believe this office has continued through the centuries and that Jesus Himself preserves His Vicar from error:

Matthew 16 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

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marvin_082500 disagrees: WHERE YOU CAN FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT JESUS ESTABLISH HIS CHRUCH WITHIN THAT CHURCH. THERES ONLY ONE CHURCH, AND HE IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH ( COLOSAS 1:18)
RickJ agrees: You are correct. Some people refuse to acknowlege that Christ assigned leaders to His Church, even though the New Testament shows it clearly.
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Old Mar 18, 2008, 05:32 PM   #16  
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[quote=De Maria]Jesus established His Church and within that Church established an office which would contain the man who would lead His Church after Jesus went to the Father:

John 21 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.


We believe this office has continued through the centuries and that Jesus Himself preserves His Vicar from error:

Matthew 16 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Call me dense but I don't get the connection between these verses, your statements, and my question. But that is not unusual. "Bible speak" has always left me saying, WHAT???
"What does that mean???" I guess that is why I don't often read the bible. It is too confusing so I get nothing out of it.
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Old Mar 18, 2008, 06:08 PM   #17  
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Jesus established His Church and within that Church established an office which would contain the man who would lead His Church after Jesus went to the Father:

John 21 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.


We believe this office has continued through the centuries and that Jesus Himself preserves His Vicar from error:

Matthew 16 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Call me dense

No, I won't call you dense. It took me years to understand. But God rewards those who seek Him in faith. And one day, I understood.

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but I don't get the connection between these verses, your statements, and my question. But that is not unusual. "Bible speak" has always left me saying, WHAT???
"What does that mean???" I guess that is why I don't often read the bible. It is too confusing so I get nothing out of it.


Its kind of a vicious circle. Its true about almost everything. If you don't care enough to study it, you will probably not find the answer to difficult math problems, legal problems and many other things.


I'll assume you really want an explanation and try to explain.

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but I don't get the connection between these verses, your statements, and my question.

You asked:

So, what is the deal with catholics and the pope? Why do they put such store in someone that is just a mere mortal like the rest of us?

Connection between my statements and your questions:

Catholics believe that Jesus is God. We also believe that Jesus, made Peter the First Pope when He told Peter to "Feed My Sheep".

Connection between these verses and your questions:

Verse Matt 16:18 is Jesus renaming Simon. He gives Simon the name of "Peter" which means "Rock". Only one other person is called Rock in Scripture. God Himself. Therefore Jesus gives Simon a name that signifies God. This ties the New Testament back to when God told Moses:

Exodus 7 1 And the Lord said to Moses: Behold I have appointed thee the God of Pharao: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

In other words, Moses stood in the place of God. In the same way, Peter would stand in the place of God.

And just as Moses passed this office on to Joshua, Peter passed this office on to St. Linus.

Verse Matt 16:19 is Jesus telling Simon that his authority will extend to heaven itself.

Verse John 21:17 is Jesus telling Simon that it is now time to assume his office. Feed my Sheep.

And that is the big deal. In a nutshell, we believe that God established a leader within the Church to guide us until the consummation of the world. We believe that is recorded in the Traditions of the Church and in the Scriptures.

I hope that helps.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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Old Mar 18, 2008, 06:31 PM   #18  
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In reference to the feet washing, the stole worn by priest, hold several symbolic meanings, one of these meanings is to represent the towel used to wash the feet of others. This is to remind the prest daily of his position as a servant to the people.
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Old Mar 19, 2008, 01:51 AM   #19  
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Thank you Maria for explaining further. I believe I get it now.
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