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Tessy how wonderful that you "got it" the first time, but that was the first time I said anything about quoting the bible being pompous. Read carefully and you will notice the comment I was referring to was not one you had made. I'm not arguing about the bible saying this or that, I'm actually not arguing anything. I'm simply saying I think it is pompous to throw scripture at someone who does not share your beliefs. I never said you were guilty of such things. Also, you are making an assumption that I care, or am offended by what is said to me in these threads; I'm not. Call me a heathen, tell me I'm going to hell, it doesn't matter to me. I'm as secure in my beliefs as you are in yours. Telling me I WILL accept the word of god or whatever, or that I WILL go to hell has no effect on me, except to think, "Gee, what a pompous a** who can't accept that others believe differently!" I can think someone is pompous without being offended, in case you didn't know. If you would like to point out where you think I was "offended" by something someone said, I'll be happy to explain to you why you are wrong. You seem to be under the impression people are offended very easily, and I believe you are mistaken in most cases.
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Pop-My-Zit, You asked me why I post on Christian chat rooms and I gave you my answer. You asked,
"My only point is that why would someone want to continue to post on a Christianity Forum if they are athiests. If they don't believe in God, I was just thinking they may believe in the dirty devil."
Good question by "Pop-my Cork". I'll answer it as best I can. I post on a Christian site because your-alls world is so black and white. The bible said it! I believe it, ect" No room foir question or any kind of discussion, unless it agrees with scripture. You all have so many off-the -wall beliefs. One expert on this board informed me, in all seriousness , that the earth was only less the 6000 years old and the dinosaur bones were placed there by the devil to confuse us. Now, who can resist tossing a few "zingers" into a flat statement such as that? People like popover are fun to tweek. In short you "fundies" (and you know who you are) put the FUN in Fundamentalism
I would post over on "The Dirty Devil Board" except fundies are much more fun to play with. Ya want " Absolute Truth" ?? Here goes mine, " religion began when the first priest met the first fool." Now THERE'S absolute truth!!!
And your response was,
poppa0777 disagrees: Go take a nerve pill...you're not
What a wimpy response! I'm not what??? Come on sport! You can do better then that if you try. Mama won't letcha come out and play with the big kids?? Afraid we'll infest you with the two things that religion rejects? Reason and logic.
Dear Mr. Speedball,
Being a human being, I made a mistake and hit the wrong key while typing my response to you. I am not going to argue with you, I'm not going to "come out and play", because I'm not playing. I would have thought that someone of your age would have more on his mind than "play". If you are 80 years old you should be making serious plans for what comes next for you. This is really sad.The eternal soul of a man is far more precious than to "play' with. I truly hope you resolve that issue before your death. God bless you.
Jill,
Okie dokie. I guess we will agree to disagree. I don't see anything pompus about posting scripture on a Christain board. It is what I would expect to find if I were an athiest. I do think there are times when it is appropriate and times when it isn't. I totally get that you can think something is pompus and not get offended. I think it all the time and I never said YOU got offended and said SOME atheists do.
Tessy you seem to not understand something: the problem is not quoting scripture. Posting scripture does not make one pompous. What makes one who quotes scripture pompous is when the individual does so with the intent to "convert" or "prove" something that the recipient will not respond to. Quote all the scripture you want, but if you do it inappropriately, don't be surprised when you are considered pompous. But you say you don't care what people say to you, so why do you care if people call you pompous, intolerant, etc? Perhaps you are trying to convince yourself, rather than others?
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I never said YOU got offended and said SOME atheists do.
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The difference between us? I don't care if people say to me...you are silly and wasting your time praying to a false God. That kind of thing doesn't bother me in the least.
Which indicates YOU do not get offended but I do ("The difference between us" is a dead giveaway).
Jill,
I don't care if people call me pompous, Actually, I have NEVER been called pompous. I was called intolerant. I was just curious as to why I was called that. I never did get a straight answer from the person who gave me the dreaded "red" mark when he called me that..lol. I don't think he knows.
Here is a question for you Jill, and I actually have thought about this a lot lately. If you are an atheist, why do you care that God allowed bears to kill teenagers? You say you don't think the Word of God is true and you don't get offended by it cuz it isn't true. And yet....it appears to string your bean? Why?
Great question, Tessy, and one I'm more than happy to answer.
My "bean is strung" because passages like that one indicate god is NOT forgiving or loving (at least not all the time). That particular passage, if I'm correct, has god sending bears to kill a group of teens (the versions I read don't specify teen, but maybe I haven't looked closely enough) because they made fun of someone. To me, it doesn't matter WHO they made fun of; they were ripped apart by bears for childish behavior instead of being taught that that behavior is inappropriate and hurtful. I'm sure in your youth (and perhaps adulthood) you have made fun of someone. How horrible would it be if a bear ripped your brain out of your nose because of youthful indiscretion, at god's hand? When this passage was pointed out to my husband's coworker, he said, "They were wicked, they deserved it." I was appalled! How can someone who preaches love, acceptance, tolerance and so on say that a child deserved to be MAULED BY A BEAR?
There are many passages in the bible which have god doing horrible things, yet people of faith profess how wonderful he is. I find it contradictory to say he is so great when he commits such atrocities. I use the "bear passage" as an example, and it's also a little funny, when you think about it (at least in the cartoon way I picture it in my head). I'm sure you have a reason excusing the actions I have a problem with, but that's what I find so fascinating about people with faith - they will "turn the other cheek" for god when if anyone else did such a thing, that individual would be condemed and on their way to hell.
So all in all, there are a lot of things in the bible I don't understand, and I have a hard time seeing how a reasonable person can follow someone/something which has done so many terrible things. I guess I don't think "the good outweighs the bad" or "the ends justify the means" in this case.
I have a whole list of passages which confuse me and make me say, "How can anyone put their faith into this?"
Great question, Tessy, and one I'm more than happy to answer.
My "bean is strung" because passages like that one indicate god is NOT forgiving or loving (at least not all the time). That particular passage, if I'm correct, has god sending bears to kill a group of teens (the versions I read don't specify teen, but maybe I haven't looked closely enough) because they made fun of someone. To me, it doesn't matter WHO they made fun of; they were ripped apart by bears for childish behavior instead of being taught that that behavior is inappropriate and hurtful. I'm sure in your youth (and perhaps adulthood) you have made fun of someone. How horrible would it be if a bear ripped your brain out of your nose because of youthful indiscretion, at god's hand? When this passage was pointed out to my husband's coworker, he said, "They were wicked, they deserved it." I was appalled! How can someone who preaches love, acceptance, tolerance and so on say that a child deserved to be MAULED BY A BEAR?
There are many passages in the bible which have god doing horrible things, yet people of faith profess how wonderful he is. I find it contradictory to say he is so great when he commits such atrocities. I use the "bear passage" as an example, and it's also a little funny, when you think about it (at least in the cartoon way I picture it in my head). I'm sure you have a reason excusing the actions I have a problem with, but that's what I find so fascinating about people with faith - they will "turn the other cheek" for god when if anyone else did such a thing, that individual would be condemed and on their way to hell.
So all in all, there are a lot of things in the bible I don't understand, and I have a hard time seeing how a reasonable person can follow someone/something which has done so many terrible things. I guess I don't think "the good outweighs the bad" or "the ends justify the means" in this case.
I have a whole list of passages which confuse me and make me say, "How can anyone put their faith into this?"
Jill,
God is sovereign and He does what He wants. That is all i can say. I don't understand everything about HIM ...no one does. I certainly wouldn't say someone deserved to killed by bears. having said that, I believe just because I can't figure HIM out doesn't mean that HE isn't perfect. I believe HE is.. HE is all knowing and HE sees the beginning from the end. All we see are that teenage boys were killed by a bear for being "teenage" boys. Doesn't seem fair but He is sovereign and he didn't have to ask me first. I'm sure to an atheist that sounds unreasonable. Thats ok.
Like I said, I was sure you would have a reason for excusing the action. It's another example of that "blind faith" which is so foreign to me. At least you admit that to an atheist, your line of reasoning sounds unreasonable. That's more than many Christians (especially those on this site!) would give.
Eeeww, that would just be creepy!! I've come to enjoy your prickly argumentative side so much that the whole notion of a softer gentler Tessy puts me in a state of extreme cognitive dissonance. If you were that way habitually, I might have to give your religious views a more serious look.
I agree that it's POSSIBLE to quote scripture un-pompously. I've seen it done; even done it myself occasionally.
Yes, dialog with those of a different faith is so icky and tiresome. Better to stick with those who already agree with you.
A point of agreement! You aren't going all "softer and gentler" on me are you?.
I'm looking forward to it.
Ordinaryguy,
LOL!!! I enjoyed your comments. Bring it on dude...bring it on!!!
Oh and just for the record...there ain't nothin creepy about me.
Like I said, I was sure you would have a reason for excusing the action. It's another example of that "blind faith" which is so foreign to me. At least you admit that to an atheist, your line of reasoning sounds unreasonable. That's more than many Christians (especially those on this site!) would give.
Jill,
I have to admit...i don't understand the beliefs of an atheist. Do you believe there is a God and you just really don't like Him? or...do you believe that He doesn't exist?
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