Is it too late 4me to be saved?will god 4give me?

But being gay is not like going to or wanting to go to a strip club. It's not like being unfaithful to a spouse or having trouble with fidelity. It's a state of being, like being white, black, short or tall. It's an immutable part of a person, exactly like being heterosexual is an unchangeable part of a person and their being. It's not a choice and it is not a disease. It's a naturally occurring state of being that transcends culture or religion. There's nothing about being gay that needs forgiveness anymore than being straight requires forgiveness.

Yeah I understand that but from a Christian perspective the Bible says that anything short of being faithful in a husband/wife marriage is sexual impurity so that is what I am saying that Christians seem to judge gay people more than they judge the christian that goes and cheats on his wife or something which is wrong to judge this way.

It does seem that they do treat gay people differently, yes. And it is wrong. But I think that the larger problem is with religion in the first place. That's the underlying poison.

Cadillac, I can't ignore the bible's witness of god. What you refer to as religion, is perhaps tradition. Human nature's tendency could take god's desire to see men move away from being gay, and make an opportunity to hate gay people. This is error, because there's no love and forgiveness in order to make peace with god.

I don't understand what you mean by there's no love and forgiveness in order to make peace with god.

When I say religion, I'm referring to Christianity and all other theistic belief systems, beliefs that say god exists and intervenes in human affairs, cares about people, relates to individuals, that sort of thing.

Deism is a maybe. That's the belief that a god exists as an impersonal force in the universe, a first cause perhaps, a being that does not intervene in human affairs and does not care about human behavior. Now that makes sense, possibly. But that's not a religion. I might be tempted in the direction of deism, but it is just as easy to say and somewhat more plausible to say that god does not exist. There's no god of the Bible just as there is no Thor, or Poseidon. I always thought it was funny the way so many people will accept the god of the Old and New Testaments but not accept the Norse belief of an 8-legged horse living behind the clouds. I fail to see how anyone can say one is more likely to be true than the other.

Gogs,
Yes God is a God of peace and Jesus is the peace maker.
By the way not all Christians will not accept a gay person for who that person is and not for what that person does.
I accept them for they are God's children and I know some whom I admire for being admirable people.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Before deciding to leave Christianity (I was ELCA Lutheran) I had contemplated finding a gay church. But then I decided that even those churches were outside mainstream Christian thinking and I had to doubt that they had really considered the ramifications of remaining in the faith. Hence, Christianity became suspect to me, I considered whether I really believed any of it, decided I did not, and that I could not remain in it.

Cadillac59,
Thanks for your explanation.
I hope you find a Christian Church that you feel comfortable with.
If not I hope you have a happy life.
Fred

Well, thanks for the well-wishing. I had to laugh because I just visited the board on mythology and spirituality, or whatever it is called, and one person had a question: every time she and he new boyfriend go for a walk they see a big black or brown furry dog that looks like a bear and she was wondering of this had any spiritual significance or if it was a bad omen. I had to laugh, but I can imagine if anything bad happens to this lady or her boyfriend they are going to blame it on some big furry dog. It's not hard to see how religions got started.

Cadillac59,
Some People have been superstitious for many centuries and some have started some odd religions, but that does not mean that all religions have no true spiritual basis.
I believe that we are all spiritual being made up of mind body and spirit, a trinity somewhat like God is a trinity.
I also believe that that dog may be a bad omen for them ONLY because they made it that way.
It would have been better if they thought that it was a sign of good luck.
That way if something good happened they could be happy rather than be frightened of that animal.
Peace and kindness,
Fred