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I want to know what other believers ideas on this topic. Please answer this question only if you are a believer...
Is there and inbetween after we die?? I mean while we wait for the coming of jesus christ.
Or where do you think Jesus went after he died, but before the resurection, during those three days to minister?
Or when the rich man who, in life would help Lazarus, could see him nesstled in
Abraham's bosom. See liuke 16:19-26.
What do you think Sheol is??
Please I would really like to know what you think or if there is more scriptures relatiing that maybe I have overlooked
We have to understand that the body and spirit are two different things. We knonw that on the last day the body will rise from the dead. I am not sure of course that God, since he is God, is not over all things, our time and place, but also all time and place, So to those that go asleep, just like we do in the flesh, we don't know time when we sleep, but just awake without any feel of time.
For me, of course without any bibical proof, but with the idea of not limiting God with the idea of time and space, I beleive we all, awake tomorrow with him, those that died 2000 years ago, and those that may die 1000 years in the future, wlil all awake in Christ tomorrow since the time frame means nothing to God
The new testament is pretty clear on the subject...we are absent from the body and present with the Lord. It does say( in 1 Peter i believe) that Jesus went to Hades but remember, before his death that is where everyone went. How could any of the old testament saints enter the presence of a Holy God? Jesus spoke of the great "gulf"in Hades, between the side of "torment" and the side of rest. He spoke this in a parable but he didn't make it up out of the blue...it IS an actual place. ALL of His parables were about things that COULD have actually taken place..not some science fiction stuff. I believe when HE went there after His death, HE took the saints directly to the Father in Heaven. ONLY then could they be in the presents of a Holy God. Up to that point they had just covered their sins with the blood of animals.....Jesus had redeemed them!!!! They were on their way to the FATHER. Whoo hoo....(sorry i get excited just thinking about it)
So, to answer your question IF you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and you are bought by his Blood, ...you go straight to the throne of Heaven when you die. This is what the Bible teaches....the NEW TESTAMENT...and you will find all you need to know on the subject in Paul's writings.
We have to understand that the body and spirit are two different things. We knonw that on the last day the body will rise from the dead. I am not sure of course that God, since he is God, is not over all things, our time and place, but also all time and place, So to those that go asleep, just like we do in the flesh, we don't know time when we sleep, but just awake without any feel of time.
For me, of course without any bibical proof, but with the idea of not limiting God with the idea of time and space, I beleive we all, awake tomorrow with him, those that died 2000 years ago, and those that may die 1000 years in the future, wlil all awake in Christ tomorrow since the time frame means nothing to God
I'm a bit confused by your answer. hmmm? Paul says to be absent from the Bible is to be present with the Lord. He also states in in Philipians 1:21...that to LIVE IS CHRIST and to DIE is GAIN. He was torn. He knew he needed to live, to teach and to continue to spread the WORD...but he had seen the LORD in GLORY and was caught up in the third Heaven. HE couldn't WAIT nor could we if we had seen what he had. If he were simply "asleep" i don't think he would see that as a GAIN since there was so much to be done to spread the word here on earth.
I don't think that I am limiting the Lord on time or space. But when Paul wrote to be absent from the Bible is to be present with the Lord...he meant it. When Jesus told the thief on the cross TODAY you will be with me in paradise...he meant TODAY.
I'm a bit confused by your answer. hmmm? Paul says to be absent from the Bible is to be present with the Lord. He also states in in Philipians 1:21...that to LIVE IS CHRIST and to DIE is GAIN. He was torn. He knew he needed to live, to teach and to continue to spread the WORD...but he had seen the LORD in GLORY and was caught up in the third Heaven. HE couldn't WAIT nor could we if we had seen what he had. If he were simply "asleep" i don't think he would see that as a GAIN since there was so much to be done to spread the word here on earth.
I don't think that I am limiting the Lord on time or space. But when Paul wrote to be absent from the Bible is to be present with the Lord...he meant it. When Jesus told the thief on the cross TODAY you will be with me in paradise...he meant TODAY.
Absolutely!!
Some people in their above posts keep mentioning "asleep" as the reason why they believe there is an in between. Asleep doesn't does not literally mean asleep even to the soul. You will find in the Bible that the words asleep are used to describe dead in the Old Testement as well as the New. It was because the people look like they were asleep. But what they are talking about here is their bodies..NOT THEIR SOULS.
As I stated in my above post as well...God let's us know through Paul's writing that to be absent from the body is to be present with Our Lord! Amen! and I'm ready!!!
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. That's a verse, but I don't know where in the Bible you can find it. The Bible says no, if you are no longer in your body (physically dead) then you have to be with the Lord (if you're saved that is)
Before Jesus the dead went to a waiting place but now I believe that when you die you go directly where you are going because as Tadita said absent from the body. Also Eternity is not limited to time in any way.
Well when Jesus raised up Lazarus from the dead, Lazarus didn't go about telling everyone what it was like on the other side. He had just been "asleep" in death. There is no wisdom or knowledge or devising in Sheol. It's like being asleep--you don't know what else is going on in the room or the world when you are asleep. They just exist in God's memory until the last day when the Resurrection comes. The parable of the laborers in the vineyard, those who came late receiving the same wage as those who worked all day. The harder workers can't get two eternal lives, you know. So God will treat all His loyal ones the same, not some be in Heaven already while others must wait longer.
The new testament is pretty clear on the subject...we are absent from the body and present with the Lord. It does say( in 1 Peter i believe) that Jesus went to Hades but remember, before his death that is where everyone went. How could any of the old testament saints enter the presence of a Holy God? Jesus spoke of the great "gulf"in Hades, between the side of "torment" and the side of rest. He spoke this in a parable but he didn't make it up out of the blue...it IS an actual place. ALL of His parables were about things that COULD have actually taken place..not some science fiction stuff. I believe when HE went there after His death, HE took the saints directly to the Father in Heaven. ONLY then could they be in the presents of a Holy God. Up to that point they had just covered their sins with the blood of animals.....Jesus had redeemed them!!!! They were on their way to the FATHER. Whoo hoo....(sorry i get excited just thinking about it)
So, to answer your question IF you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and you are bought by his Blood, ...you go straight to the throne of Heaven when you die. This is what the Bible teaches....the NEW TESTAMENT...and you will find all you need to know on the subject in Paul's writings.
You have done well in your explanation... Please allow me to add this as Point in Fact,
1 Thes 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
asleep-Greek 2837- to cause to sleep, put to sleep
This is saying God brings those asleep with Christ... You only need ask yourself where did Christ go? The last verse also reinterates that fact, by saying, we that are alive: meaning us here on earth still or remaining when Christ returns,does not prevent those that are asleep to go with Christ.
The facts considering the gulf are very true until the final day. Revelation19:1 will also tell of those in heaven saying Alleluia.. Revelation 19:6 voice of a great multitude.. Revelation 19:14 the armies which were in heaven clothed in linen whites...How do we get linen whites as the bible tells us? By our good deeds... The good deeds don't get you into heaven, but they are a deciding factor to your rightousness and good standing with the Lord. Loving Christ and singing His praise to His glory... Alleluia!!!
One more thing.. Our bodies return to dust just as God has told us.. We will never use the body that we vainly cling to here on earth.
1 Corinthians 15:20 tells of the beginning of that army who is with Christ..
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
become -Greek 1096-meaning to come into existence, begin to be, receive being of
firstfruits-G reek 536- persons superior in excellence
slept -Greek 2837 -to cause to sleep, put to sleep
One more thing.. Our bodies return to dust just as God has told us.. We will never use the body that we vainly cling to here on earth.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.
Psa 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Though I am no longer a "believer" I once was so I will still answer this question. The bible gives no mention or foreshadowing of an "in between" or a limbo type realm. Those who are dead in Christ are just waiting, where is not known? Some say outside the Gate of Heaven, others say their souls are just floating around on earth, waiting. As a Wiccan I do believe in a limbo type place called the Shadowland, where the soul rests and gets its karmic slate "cleaned" before moving on to eternity in the Summerland. But thats from a Wiccan point of view.