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Home > Society & Culture > Religion > Christianity   »   Is this song really aproperiate at church?

 
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Old Feb 14, 2008, 12:46 PM
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Is this song really aproperiate at church?

I heard this at a church but sicne when are beatles singign about religion? IS this song seriously aproperiate? o.O

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Written by John Lennon
Song: Imagine

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Old Feb 17, 2008, 01:36 AM   #51  
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Why can't some acknowledge, that humans, as a whole our flawed / fallen, and that God is the answer and not human imagination.
That will happen the same day that some will acknowledge that for many on this planet there is no requirement for a god to live a great life.

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Old Feb 17, 2008, 09:54 AM   #52  
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I am an atheist, and I love this song. One of the best ever written.

Lennon points out that religion is one of the most divisive institutions on earth....causing ill-feeling between neighbors and even hatred and wars. And what for? Imaginary entities that don't exist.

And so on....

I would be surprised to hear this song in a church!
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Old Feb 17, 2008, 11:39 AM   #53  
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I am an atheist, and I love this song. One of the best ever written.

Lennon points out that religion is one of the most divisive institutions on earth....causing ill-feeling between neighbors and even hatred and wars. And what for? Imaginary entities that don't exist.

And so on....

I would be surprised to hear this song in a church!


That is exactly why I am not religious. I am spiritual though. I believe in an ultimate power, maybe because I believe in love and I feel that God is love. When I pray, I believe there is a listener and I get comfort from this. Religion, on the other hand is often a source of conflict. Each religion believes that their way is THE way. Who is to say? Your belief is your reality.
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Old Feb 17, 2008, 11:43 AM   #54  
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Each religion believes that their way is THE way. Who is to say? Your belief is your reality.


That is a bit bizarre isn't it. We all worship God and yet think our religion is the one true religion.

I was raised Catholic and I am Catholic. The religion fits me beautifully - of course there are things that I quietly disagree with or just don't embarce i should say.

But I think all faiths that love God.....Love God and not one faith is superior. That is my true beleif.
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Old Feb 17, 2008, 12:18 PM   #55  
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That is a bit bizarre isn't it. We all worship God and yet think our religion is the one true religion.

I was raised Catholic and I am Catholic. The religion fits me beautifully - of course there are things that I quietly disagree with or just don't embarce i should say.

But I think all faiths that love God.....Love God and not one faith is superior. That is my true beleif.


Funny, I hear that from every Catholic I know. That there are things they disagree with or don't embrace. How is that a perfect fit? Some of the more popular issues are birth control, divorce, and what is this fee you have to pay to get an annulment aka the "divorce loop-hole. " Why would you have to pay the church to get their blessing to marry again ?

I was brought up as a protestant but I really cringe at any one organization proclaiming what is right and wrong for me and how I should believe in something as personal as one's faith. Isn't this in a song..." Let your conscience be you guide." My conscience is very strict with me. Won't let me get away with anything. I think it has a direct line to God.

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Old Feb 17, 2008, 12:32 PM   #56  
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LOL - I quess that did sound odd. What I meant was, that I am comfortable with my religion and I do love it, when I say it is a perfect fit for me, I say that so it is clear I am not saying my religion is the religion...it is one that I find peace with.

The only thing, that I find discomfort with is how they have a tendency to zero in on gay people. I haven't been to sermons where that was done, but I had heard they do.

As far as annullments. I used to say the same thing..Why? Do you have to pay X amount of dollars to have your marriage washed away and if you do pay then it is thrown out??

Well, not necessary, my sister's was denied and should have been. Her request for an annulment.

The reason you need their permisson as in the eyes of the Catholic church you are married till death due you part anything outside of that is considered adultery. Just letting you know their views.

Which brings me to a little funny story. My parents were divorced and never did remarry.
But where my Dad lived as he got older....there were tons of women. There was this one lady who just like my Dad soooooooooo much....by this time my parents would have had to be divorced for over 20 years....a very long time. This women wanted my Dad to marry her. They were just friends and I have to say, she was very good to him. Helped him with calls for medince things like that, while we were at work.

Anyway, she wanted my Dad to marry him....and he really didn't care for her very much at all. She was very pushy. And my Dad didn't want to hurt her feelings....soooo
He told her.."Suzy" I'm awful sorry, I can't marry you, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, I'm married already (as he wiped the sweat off his brow .

So there are times that actually does come in handy
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Old Feb 17, 2008, 05:55 PM   #57  
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Choosing who to make a life with a partner, and have children with is a personal choice. A religious organization that restricts making personal choices is teaching superiority isn't it? If I were to join the Catholic church and adhere to their rules, then I would be an OK person. As it is, they love me but want to draw me in, have me follow their rules. That is conditional love, isn't it? That is us and them.

I love them. Even the Muslims that really get a bad rap. But then, they teach hate. And why are the Christian nations making war on them? Hate, superiority and intolerance. Maybe religious folk don't realize that they teach intolerance and hate. Maybe, they don't know what love is?

Love is not about forgiveness, it is the embodiment of acceptance. True love sees nothing to forgive. That was the message of Jesus, and the message of so many others who's words have been twisted into control of the masses. "Love one another," "Your care for others is the measure of your worth." They could not twist those words very well. Got to give them kudos for really trying though.

Then, along comes John Lennon and he says it again. And here we are arguing when we could be doing what we do best, changing.
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Boy that's depressing Simoneague and I can see how one would feel that way. The Catholic church welcomes all to the service and you don't have to be catholic, ever, you just could not particapte in communion. And not becuase we are better, because there is some schooling and teaching about holy communion and you would have to make the sacrement of holy communion. But you could always attend services and you would see that they spend 99% of their time, making sure we are in line with God's will. Keeping us on the right path. There is never an us versus them. Honest.

The services are always about reminding us how important it is to love God and stay in his will. I never feel better then anyone outside the church doors, ever.

I don't think Catholics ever are ones to speak about being better, and you have to be Catholic otherwise.....

Did you ever hear of Catholic guilt? We are so busy feeling guilty about everything that I feel even to look into another's house, would be a sin, because it is judging, and that is not our role.

As far as Muslims - I don't think true Muslims teach hate, just the opposite.
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Old Feb 17, 2008, 09:45 PM   #59  
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Great points your all bringing up...
But you know...

It is a bit stupid to pay so much money if you want to get married in a Christian/Cathloic church.

900 dollars to get married at church? Thats over the top

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Old Feb 18, 2008, 05:39 PM   #60  
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Great points your all bringing up...
But you know...

It is a bit stupid to pay so much money if you want to get married in a Christian/Cathloic church.

900 dollars to get married at church? Thats over the top

I had a Catholic wedding and didn't have to pay anything. We gave some money, but then a priest should be given something for his service.
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