Which side am I on?

worthbeads · Aug 12, 2007, 07:43 AM

I have always been confused about religion. I don't know if I believe in God or not. I am a person of reason and hard facts. To me, if I can see it, hear it, or touch it it's real. To me, it just seems like facts against God are more logical than facts for God. I want to believe in God, but there are so many questions unanswered. Can anyone give me an logical argument that can semi-prove God's existence?

speechlesstx · Aug 14, 2007, 12:17 PM

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That implies there IS a soul. I know you believe there is such a thing, but there is no proof of such a thing.

No, I can no more prove there is such a thing as a soul than science can prove our thoughts and feelings are nothing more than impersonal electrical impulses and chemical processes.

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I don't know, I'm not a scientist. I'm just a boring business student.

Boring? No way, unless of course you're an accounting major

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In a way I agree with you here. Unless one is taught about the electrical impulses and how on a literal surface the human body functions, they will more than likey assume it's "magic" or "god" or whatever. When we don't understand something, we look for a way to explain it. I guess what I meant to say is your religion furthers your belief there is something more profound to humans than what science has demonstrated.

My faith confirms my belief that we are more than bags of salty water and places a much higher value on life. That's why science says a fetus is easily disposed of tissue and faith says it's a child of infinite value. As Capuchin describes it, instead of telling my wife I love her, I should be able to get away with saying that her "visual, chemical and behavioural cues" make her a good genetic match to my instinct to protect my own genes. Think that would work?

jillianleab · Aug 14, 2007, 12:41 PM

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No, I can no more prove there is such a thing as a soul than science can prove our thoughts and feelings are nothing more than impersonal electrical impulses and chemical processes.

I'll give you that one. At least you acknowledge there are electrical impulses.

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Boring? No way, unless of course you're an accounting major

Nope, good 'ol HR!

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My faith confirms my belief that we are more than bags of salty water and places a much higher value on life. That's why science says a fetus is easily disposed of tissue and faith says it's a child of infinite value.

Yes, your faith has everything to do with it. I won't get into the fetus thing with you; you can't bait me, not here!

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As Capuchin describes it, instead of telling my wife I love her, I should be able to get away with saying that her "visual, chemical and behavioural cues" make her a good genetic match to my instinct to protect my own genes. Think that would work?

Well that depends, does your wife have a sense of humor?

Just because science has a method for observing and dictating where emotions come from doesn't mean you can't express them in another way, with words that are more pleasing to hear. Remember, when the electrical impulses in your brain tell you you love your wife, and you in turn tell her, electrical impulses start up in her brain to covey emotion, presumably, happy ones (unless she's pi$$ed at you and you're trying to say "I love you" to make up for what you did wrong, that is!). Maybe THAT'S where we get the idea of "electricity" in a relationship...

speechlesstx · Aug 14, 2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

Well that depends, does your wife have a sense of humor?

Just because science has a method for observing and dictating where emotions come from doesn't mean you can't express them in another way, with words that are more pleasing to hear. Remember, when the electrical impulses in your brain tell you you love your wife, and you in turn tell her, electrical impulses start up in her brain to covey emotion, presumably, happy ones (unless she's pi$$ed at you and you're trying to say "I love you" to make up for what you did wrong, that is!). Maybe THAT'S where we get the idea of "electricity" in a relationship...

Jillian, I'm not trying to bait anyone, ok? And if science can explain female behavior then I'm all for it

jillianleab · Aug 14, 2007, 12:56 PM

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Jillian, I'm not trying to bait anyone, ok? And if science can explain female behavior then I'm all for it

You didn't know? Scientists are all afraid of women so we get deemed the "mysteries" of the universe. They are afraid to figure us out because we might have magical powers to make their brains explode. Don't you worry, there's an underground society of female scientists who are trying to harness the brain-exploding ability and once they do... well, lets just say if your wife tell you to rub her feet, you damn well better do it!

speechlesstx · Aug 14, 2007, 01:24 PM

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You didn't know? Scientists are all afraid of women so we get deemed the "mysteries" of the universe. They are afraid to figure us out because we might have magical powers to make their brains explode. Don't you worry, there's an underground society of female scientists who are trying to harness the brain-exploding ability and once they do... well, lets just say if your wife tell you to rub her feet, you damn well better do it!

That's what I'm afraid of

giani513 · Aug 16, 2007, 11:58 PM

I believe in God because someone or something had to create the universe. When I hear the Big Bang Theory, I think, "great...but who made those gases that combusted?" Everything else is questionable...

Capuchin · Aug 17, 2007, 12:15 AM

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I believe in God because someone or something had to create the universe. When I hear the Big Bang Theory, I think, "great...but who made those gases that combusted?" Everything else is questionable...

Who made god?

firmbeliever · Aug 17, 2007, 02:35 AM

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Who made god?

That is a question asked many times.

My answer to that may not be what you are looking for as it is not scientific .

God created all that exists on the universe and beyond, this does not mean that the Creator has to have the same characteristics of the created.God does not need to be created or formed or evolved,He stays the same always.He has no beginning and no end.

If God had a beginning then He would cease to be God, as this beginning would make Him similar to His creations. If He had an end then He ceases to be God.

Time does not exist for God as it does for humans and other creation, He is the Creator of time,hence He is not affected by time.

cal823 · Aug 17, 2007, 02:40 AM

god is beyond time.
there was no need to "make god" because there never was a lack of god.

Capuchin · Aug 17, 2007, 04:01 AM

Why does there ever need to be a lack of these gasses?

If God is eternal, I see no reason not to posit that energy is eternal.



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