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Old Aug 12, 2007, 06:43 AM
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Which side am I on?

I have always been confused about religion. I don't know if I believe in God or not. I am a person of reason and hard facts. To me, if I can see it, hear it, or touch it it's real. To me, it just seems like facts against God are more logical than facts for God. I want to believe in God, but there are so many questions unanswered. Can anyone give me an logical argument that can semi-prove God's existence?

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Old Aug 19, 2007, 06:08 AM   #91  
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Exactly, our ear muscles have degraded because they are not in use any more and they have changed evolutionary because people with too weak ears to be able to hear predators are no longer killed by those predators. We don't need sensitive directional hearing in this social community we live in.

Likewise we no longer need smell, because we have no need to be able to smell our clanmates in the dark or smell a predator, this is why we have a very variable ability to smell.

Evolution is a beautiful and far-reaching theory, it describes so many things so incredibly well, it is the quantum mechanics of biology.
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Exactly, our ear muscles have degraded because they are not in use any more and they have changed evolutionary because people with too weak ears to be able to hear predators are no longer killed by those predators. We don't need sensitive directional hearing in this social community we live in.

Likewise we no longer need smell, because we have no need to be able to smell our clanmates in the dark or smell a predator, this is why we have a very variable ability to smell.

Evolution is a beautiful and far-reaching theory, it describes so many things so incredibly well, it is the quantum mechanics of biology.


Under that criterion you would have to include other human features under vestigial a well to wit: human jaw, eyes, eyebrows, brow ridges, front limbs, nose, ears, eyes and even mouth could be labeled vestigial, since they too according to evolutionists have shrunk.

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Perceived beauty in an explanation does not by default = truth. Many of the beautifully expressed evolutionary explanations have turned out to be false, for example, hasty conclusions of evolutionary vestigiality in reference to the appendix, the tonsils, the thymus gland and others have proven otherwise. So beauty of expression is nice and mesmerizing--but no guarantee of verity.

Do any vestigial organs exist in humans?


Throughout the past century there has always existed a significant minority of first-rate biologists who have never been able to bring themselves to accept the validity of Darwinian claims. In fact, the member of biologists who have expressed some degree of disillusionment is practically endless." —*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 327.
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Old Aug 19, 2007, 11:51 AM   #93  
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Has nothing ever happened in your life that says WOW that was the works of some higher power?
Or that little voice in your head that is saying to you dont do it or yes this is the right dirrection?
I have personally had so many exsperiences that made me just know.
Here is an simple example, I was home raising my children for the early years and then
i decided to go back to work but I dident know what to do , somehow all the signs and opyions were pointed out to me, I got into health care and became a cna the first place I went to seemed like an awful place to work and I had my doughts but they hired me on the spot so I thought I would try it out just until I could find another job,
There was an old man that I became very attached to he had no family and no one to visit him, we talked alot and he dident have any religious back ground. I talked to him about Jesus and God. He got bad and was dying and transfered to the hospital, I drove when I could to be beside him so he would not be alone, When he was dying he said he was scared I told him to ask Jesus into his heart and pray for forgivness and he would go to that wonderful place called heaven and he did. He died that night.
I was ready to leave that facility but couldent leave him, after he died I quit working there
I feel like it was all in his plan.
Alot of other things in my life has happened to that I know was the works of God.
I dont go by facts or proof of science verses the Bible I am spiritual but Im not by far a non sinner and I dont go to church like I should, but I do pray and believe and I try to listen to that inner voice that I call God.
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Has nothing ever happened in your life that says WOW that was the works of some higher power?
No.

Or that little voice in your head that is saying to you dont do it or yes this is the right dirrection?
Yea, that's my intuition based on my education and life experiences. Some people have really crappy intuition and voices in their heads that tell them awful things. Stay on this board long enough and you'll meet plenty.
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yes I guess it is a matter of how you choose to look at it, I believe that our consious or intuition, the little voice is some times God. Not even a voice so much as a feeling pushing you in a certain direction.
I dont think any one will have all the answeres until they meet their maker.
Why somepeople just know there is a God by feeling , and some dont understand that.
Maybe we are at different stages.
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Treeny,
I agree some of us(like you and me) see the miracles as miracles while others are ok with a scientific explanation and not believing it to be a miracle.
I know many who have changed along the way...and found the truth of the Almighty.

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Old Aug 19, 2007, 05:38 PM   #97  
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Yes and like the old man at the nursing home he was a new born spiritually but physicaly
at the end. Some people dont get it until the very end. Thats what I mean by different stages. I think God gives all a chances to recognise him .
Some may see a miracle as just a circumstance of life but then later on in life
maybe at the time of death or before, the pieces fall into place.
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The facts are posted in the Bible. The New Testament experience is just as real today as it was two thousand years ago. There is a book you can obtain from a Christian bookshop called I want to believe but, alternatively you could try Evidence that demands a verdict by Josh Mc Dowell
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god requires faith from us, and thats all he really asks of us, is to have faith, he even forgives or every sin.
so, seeing as that isnt much to ask, just to have faith, i see no need to pursue evidence, because i know hes real without needing any evidence.
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How can a person believe in God without absolutely nothing to convince him? That doesn't make sense. If there is something to convince him-then that something is the evidence which the person has accepted as proof. Also, to say that we see nothing in nature that contributes to our belief in God is to say that we are blind to his handiwork. Unapreciative of his wisdom as revealed in his creation. Is that a virtue? Actually such a view is unscriptural since, the Bible constantly reminds us that creation provides us with evidence that reveals God's wisdom and power. So obviously he DOES want us to gain spiritual strength via observation of his greatness as revealed in his handiwork. From whence do you derive the idea that God requires blind faith?

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