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Jun 8, 2007, 06:49 PM
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[QUOTE=Wondergirl]Christians aren't bound to the Law as much that they are to use the Ten Commandments as a guide for living.
The Ten Commandments are "thou shalt not"s--negatives. In the New Testament, Jesus turned them into positives and summed them up into only two: Love God and love your neighbor. (The Ten Commandments have two sections: how to live a good life as regards God and how to live a good life as regards one's neighbor.)
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I see what you are saying but I disagree. Like I said in an earlier post, I fall too often when trying to keep the 4th Commandment. However, I am bound to keep it. Fortunately, I have a forgiving Saviour and with His help, I will overcome my weakness.
I also agree that the 1st 5 Commandments deal with our vertical relationship with God and the other 5 deal with our horizontal relationship with mankind. However, how can we love God if we just sort of not believe in idols. We MUST not believe in idols to truly love God. How can we "love our neighbors" if we only steal sometimes but not all the time. To love our neighbors, we must NEVER steal from our neighbors. His Laws are absolutes.
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Jun 8, 2007, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ActionJackson
Is it common to ignore the Sabbath day of rest in other churches? I believe, unfortunately, that it is pretty common. There are a few churches that do keep and observe the Sabbath though. Though I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, I must give a lot of credit to this Church for not only do they take the Sabbath day seriously, they know what day it actually falls on...the 7th day or Saturday. To learn more about what is required of a Christian concerning the Sabbath, check out a 7th Day Adventist site.
I'm with you on this one, AJ. This topic was hashed over on a different thread, starting with this post. My statement that it seems inconsistent to insist that only nine of the ten commandments are still binding on Christians was met with ridicule and greek lessons, all concluding that the fourth commandment, alone among the ten, has been amended and updated by virtue of the fact that Jesus' resurrection happened to occur on a Sunday. That Sunday was the day of worship for the Roman sun god cults was apparently just a happy coincidence that made it easier for the early Christians to gain converts and differentiate themselves from the rebellious Jewish sects that were giving the Roman authorities grief and inviting repression and persecution.
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Jun 8, 2007, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
God gave us Jesus, not the Ten Commandments, as the way to return to Him. The Commandments must be obeyed perfectly if they are our means to salvation. The OT says this loud and clear. Only Jesus has ever obeyed them perfectly.
As I said, the Commandments are a guide for our lives, and not a way to salvation.
What is sin? How would you define the word sin? I define it as it is stated in the Holy Bible: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
If we are not under the law, then there is nothing to transgress. If there is nothing to transgress, then there is no sin. If there is no sin, then there is nothing to be saved from. If there is nothing to be saved from, then there is no need for Jesus Christ's death on the cross.
If we do need Jesus Christ, then it is because we need to be saved. If we need to be saved, then there is something to be saved from. If that something is sin, then we transgressed the law for sin is the transgression of the law. If we transgressed the law, then the law is in force and valid.
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Jun 8, 2007, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
I'm with you on this one, AJ. This topic was hashed over on a different thread, starting with this post. My statement that it seems inconsistent to insist that only nine of the ten commandments are still binding on Christians was met with ridicule and greek lessons, all concluding that the fourth commandment, alone among the ten, has been amended and updated by virtue of the fact that Jesus' resurrection happened to occur on a Sunday. That Sunday was the day of worship for the Roman sun god cults was apparently just a happy coincidence that made it easier for the early Christians to gain converts and differentiate themselves from the rebellious Jewish sects that were giving the Roman authorities grief and inviting repression and persecution.
You're exactly right. Constantine, emperor of Rome, was a sun worshipper. When he finally realized that the Christians could not be stopped with torture, threats, and death, he changed tactics and "legalized" Christianity. He ended up creating a state religion that incorporated many of the beliefs of the mainstream religions of the day. The 7th day Sabbath was changed to Sun Day. This "new" religion was the precursor to what became the Roman church of the dark ages. Bible believing Christians were horrendously persecuted throughout this period in history.
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Jun 8, 2007, 09:06 PM
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Jesus and his disciples were Jews doing what good Jews did in observing the Sabbath. Christians are no longer under the laws of the OT, especially the social, dietary, etc. laws; Jesus' death has freed them. Christians named Sunday as the new Sabbath, to honor and observe the day Jesus rose from the dead.
"If we transgressed the law, then the law is in force and valid." Yes, we transgressed since no one can keep the law perfectly, but Jesus, who HAD kept the law perfectly, has erased that sin off our account. Because of Jesus' sacrifice, we are no longer under the law. We now live in Love, not under Law.
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Jun 8, 2007, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ActionJackson
You're exactly right. Constantine, emperor of Rome, was a sun worshipper. When he finally realized that the Christians could not be stopped with torture, threats, and death, he changed tactics and "legalized" Christianity. He ended up creating a state religion that incorporated many of the beliefs of the mainstream religions of the day. The 7th day Sabbath was changed to Sun Day. This "new" religion was the precursor to what became the Roman church of the dark ages. Bible believing Christians were horrendously persecuted throughout this period in history.
Just please don't say Constantine was the first Pope. ;)
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Jun 9, 2007, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Jesus and his disciples were Jews doing what good Jews did in observing the Sabbath. Christians are no longer under the laws of the OT, especially the social, dietary, etc. laws; Jesus' death has freed them. Christians named Sunday as the new Sabbath, to honor and observe the day Jesus rose from the dead.
"If we transgressed the law, then the law is in force and valid." Yes, we transgressed since no one can keep the law perfectly, but Jesus, who HAD kept the law perfectly, has erased that sin off our account. Because of Jesus' sacrifice, we are no longer under the law. We now live in Love, not under Law.
If we are no longer under the law, then we can no longer sin for there is nothing to transgress (break). Is it okay to murder? Is it okay to covet your neighbor's belongings? Etc.
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18 & 19 (From the lips of Christ Himself)
If you believe that a "commandment" from God is law, then Christ says that the law is in force and that not a jot or tittle (dotted i or crossed t so-to-speak) will be removed until all is fulfilled. Not all is fulfilled yet. The events of Daniel and Revelation are still to come and this earth age is not at its end yet. If you teach that the law is done away with then, in essence, you give young Christians the "okay" to break them. By doing that you run the risk of being called "the least" in the Kingdom of Heaven.
A person probably won't be comdemned to hell for breaking the food laws but they will live a healthier life if they observe them. God didn't just sit around thinking of unnecessary rules for people to follow for no good reason. He had and has good reason for telling us what foods are good to eat and which are not. He knows the human body better than you or I do. He knows how the organs work. He knows what foods will provide the best possible nutrition.
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Jun 9, 2007, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Christians are no longer under the laws of the OT, especially the social, dietary, etc. laws; Jesus' death has freed them.
Are you saying that there is no moral difference between the ten commandments and the ceremonial laws, and therefore NONE of the ten comandments are binding on Christians today? Surely most politically conservative Christians don't believe this, or they wouldn't get in such a lather about whether and where the ten commandments can be publicly displayed.
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Christians named Sunday as the new Sabbath, to honor and observe the day Jesus rose from the dead.
How soon after Jesus' resurrection do you think this happened? If it was immediately after, why do the New Testament writers make so little mention of it? It surely would have been controversial, since there was a major difference of opinion among the disciples about whether Jesus was the Jewish messiah and his message was mainly for the Jews, or whether he was the savior of the whole world whose message was for everyone. The Jews-only faction would surely have opposed abandoning the Jewish Sabbath, as important as it was within Jewish culture and ritual.
I think this explanation for the change is a pleasant sounding fiction. Far more likely, it was a concession to expedience that came much later as a way to make it easier to gain converts and escape persecution.
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Jun 9, 2007, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
Just please don't say Constantine was the first Pope. ;)
I didn't say that and won't because I know he's not listed in the Catholic records as such. However, he did set himself up as a sort of a head spiritual as well as political leader. He could be seen as an early blueprint for what Popes would become.
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Jun 9, 2007, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Are you saying that there is no moral difference between the ten commandments and the cerimonial laws, and therefore NONE of the ten comandments are binding on Christians today? Surely most politically conservative Christians don't believe this, or they wouldn't get in such a lather about whether and where the ten commandments can be publicly displayed.
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Exactly. If there was a plaque that boldly stated, "Thou shalt not eat pork" or "Thou shalt not burn bulls within 50 feet of the Washington Monument" then people would just kind of snicker and head to the local Starbucks but if someone dare put the 10 Commandments on public display, the wrath of our humanist, socialist, atheist, evolutionist "friends" in the ACLU comes unravelled.
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Jun 9, 2007, 05:00 AM
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Hello,
I personally say we are not under the ten commandments. Please allow me to explain why I give this answer.
It was in the year 1513 B.C.E. that God’s finger wrote on stone. Since then the Ten Commandments have been copied by men and spread around the world. Hundreds of millions of people have read them, and many know them by heart. There is probably no other set of laws that has received such widespread attention. The question is, are the Ten Commandments still in force so that Christians must obey them?
First we must think about who the ten commandments were intended for. God gave the Ten Commandments to the people that were known as Israelites. In his opening words, he made clear that it was to this one nation he spoke: “I am Jehovah” (God’s name, YHWY) your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.” This indicates that the Ten Commandments were designed to be part of a national law code. Exodus 20:2.
Now the question may arise, how were they passed on to all Christians today? Were the Ten Commandments of such universal nature that they would always be in force and apply also to non-Israelites? I personally believe the answer to be, No. Why? Centuries later when the Christian congregation was formed, this Law code was not passed on to it. Why? Because the Bible says that “Christ is the end of the Law.” Romans 10:4
What does that mean? Think about this, back in 1912 the outdoor high-jump world record was 6 feet 7 inches. Later, in the late 80’s, the record was 7 feet 11 1/2 inches. There must, be an ultimate limit to how high a human can jump over a bar supported by two posts. The champion who reaches this limit will end all high-jump world records. He could also be said to be “the end” of them. Now, how might this apply to the Ten Commandments?
When God formed “the Law,” which embraced the Ten Commandments together with over 600 other laws and statutes, and gave it to the Israelites, he set the ultimate goal or standard of perfection. He put the bar at the highest level, so to speak. This divine Law was of such a high standard of morality that only a perfect human could reach it.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 says: “There is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good and does not sin.”
That bar, so to speak, God’s s righteous standard, was put too high for the imperfect Israelites, or Jews. Why? The Christian apostle Paul explains: “It (meaning the law) was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed (Messiah, or Christ) should arrive to whom the promise had been made.” Galatians 3:19
By the Law, God showed the Jews that they were all imperfect transgressors, unable to reach the goal of being declared righteous because of their own works.
There was only one who could pass over that bar: the coming promised Messiah, or Christ. Therefore, that high standard was put before the Jews as something to aim at while looking forward to the final Champion, the Messiah, to pass over it once and for all.
The ten commandments was leading to the Christ. The apostle Paul continues in the third chapter of Galatians, verse 24: “Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith.” A tutor in Bible times accompanied the child to its teacher and could also instruct and discipline the child.
The Ten Commandments, as well as the rest of the Law, would prepare the Jews for the Messiah and guide them to him. When Jesus came, lived among them, and died perfectly obedient to the Law, he became “the end of the Law.” Then God removed that bar, as it were, and offered the Jews something better. Now they could “as a free gift” finally be “declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:24.
Paul also says, “You are not under law but under undeserved kindness” and, “If you are being led by spirit, you are not under law.” Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:18.
So if Christians are no longer under the ten commandments what is a Christian obey today? Christians are not “under law,” are they then freed from all moral restraints? Not at all. As Paul showed, Christians are being led by God’s holy spirit, and it does not lead anyone into sin. It urges them to stay away also from sins dealt with in the Ten Commandments. For example, if you read 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, you will find several Christian laws that are similar to some of the Ten Commandments. They are the prohibitions against idolatry, adultery, stealing, and covetousness.
Christ also summed up the old Law code, which included the Ten Commandments, with these two dictums: “You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind” and, “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Matthew 22:37-39.By striving to obey them, asking for forgiveness when falling short, and exercising faith in Christ’s ransom, you will get undeserved kindness from God and His approval for eternal life. Thessalonians 2:16.
In conclusion, we are no longer under the ten commandments as the Israelites were, but when Christ died so did the laws of that covenant. Then a new covenant was to be in place. We as Christians are under the “law of Christ.”
Just as prospective citizens of a country abide by the laws of their new land, Christ’s subjects submit themselves to “the law of the Christ” by harmonizing their lives with all that Jesus taught and commanded. Galatians 6:2 In particular, they loyally live by “the kingly law” of love. James 2:8
Christ’s subjects are not free of imperfections and failings. Romans 3:23 They need to keep cultivating “un-hypocritical brotherly affection” so as to “love one another intensely from the heart.” 1 Peter 1:22 “If anyone has a cause for complaint against another,” Christians loyally apply the law of the Christ by “putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely.” Obeying this law helps them to keep overlooking imperfections and to find reasons to love one another. Do you not appreciate being with those who in loyal submission to our loving King clothe themselves with love, the “perfect bond of union”?Colossians 3:13, 14.
Christian follower’s of Christ are no longer under the ten commandments however the principles of those commandments are still obeyed in the sense that as Christians with deep love for God and others, and our obedience to the “law of Christ”, we cover not only the “Law of Christ” but also the principles of the ten commandments.
Take care.
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Jun 9, 2007, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hope12
Hello, First we must think about who the ten commandments were intended for. Now the question may arise, how were they passed on to all Christians today? “Christ is the end of the Law.” Romans 10:4 Ecclesiastes 7:20 says: “There is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good and does not sin.” There was only one who could pass over that bar: the coming promised Messiah, or Christ. Therefore, that high standard was put before the Jews as something to aim at while looking forward to the final Champion, the Messiah, to pass over it once and for all.
The ten commandments was leading to the Christ. The apostle Paul continues in the third chapter of Galatians, verse 24: “Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith.” A tutor in Bible times accompanied the child to its teacher and could also instruct and discipline the child.
The Ten Commandments, as well as the rest of the Law, would prepare the Jews for the Messiah and guide them to him. When Jesus came, lived among them, and died perfectly obedient to the Law, he became “the end of the Law.” Paul also says, “You are not under law but under undeserved kindness” and, “If you are being led by spirit, you are not under law.” Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:18. So if Christians are no longer under the ten commandments what is a Christian obey today? Christians are not “under law,” are they then freed from all moral restraints? Not at all. As Paul showed, Christians are being led by God’s holy spirit, and it does not lead anyone into sin. It urges them to stay away also from sins dealt with in the Ten Commandments. For example, if you read 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, you will find several Christian laws that are similar to some of the Ten Commandments. They are the prohibitions against idolatry, adultery, stealing, and covetousness. “You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind” and, “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Matthew 22:37-39.By striving to obey them, asking for forgiveness when falling short, and exercising faith in Christ’s ransom, you will get undeserved kindness from God and His approval for eternal life. Thessalonians 2:16. Christian follower’s of Christ are no longer under the ten commandments however the principles of those commandments are still obeyed in the sense that as Christians with deep love for God and others, and our obedience to the “law of Christ”, we cover not only the “Law of Christ” but also the principles of the ten commandments. Take care.
Hope12
Either we are under the moral Law of God or we are not under the moral Law of God. Your post suggests that we are both free from the moral Law of God and that we are yet under the moral Law of God. If we are to follow the "principles" of the Law, the we are under the Law. If we are free from the Law of God, then there is no need to follow the principles of that Law. For the principles of the Law of God is what the Law of God is. If, as you say, the "Christian laws" tell us to do the same thing as the 10 Commandments, then the Laws are one and the same for God changes not. He and His Word are the same yesterday, today, and forever.
The question isn't really "who" the moral Laws were written for but why were they written. The purpose for the Law was to set a standard by which all men should strive to achieve. It's as important for a non-Israelite to honor his mother and father as it is for an Israelite to do so. It's as important for a non-Israelite to refrain from stealing or murdering as it is for and Israelite to do the same.
True, no mortal man can follow the Law perfectly. By not following the law perfectly, man sins for sin is the transgression of the Law of God. That's why Christ took on flesh and walked among men. He fulfilled the sacrificial Laws once and for all when He sacrificed Himself on the cross for the sins (Law transgressions) of the world (not just Israelites).
As for the two greatests commandments that we should love God and love our neighbors... how do we do that? By making sure we don't put false gods before Jehovah God; by honoring our mothers and fathers; by observing the Sabbath; my not committing adultery; etc.
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Jun 9, 2007, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Hope12
Christian follower’s of Christ are no longer under the ten commandments however the principles of those commandments are still obeyed in the sense that as Christians with deep love for God and others, and our obedience to the “law of Christ”, we cover not only the “Law of Christ” but also the principles of the ten commandments.
Hope12
Are the principles of the 10 Commandments (the Law of God) in conflict with the "law of Christ?"
Do the Laws of God compliment the "law of Christ.?
In your opinion, is God and Christ one and the same?
Is the "law of Christ" law?
If we are under the "law of Christ" are we under the law?
If we are under Christ's law are we under God's law?
Is there one God or are there two Gods?
Which is a better scenario: A man who strives to reach perfection by attempting to follow God's Law or a man who does not attempt to reach perfection by following God's Law?
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Jun 9, 2007, 07:22 AM
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How about this idea? The account of the Commandments is from an Israelites perspetive. So wouldn't it be that the recording would address them? It isn't an exclusionary statement that the commandments were only for them. We LDS believe that the commandments were restated to Joseph Smith in the Doctrine and Covenants:Doctrine and Covenants 59
5 Wherefore, I give unto them a commandment, saying thus: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy might, mind, and strength; and in the name of Jesus Christ thou shaltcserve him.
6 Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Thou shalt not steal; neither commit adultery, nor kill, nor do anything like unto it.
7 Thou shalt thank the Lord thy God in all things.
8 Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit.
9 And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself unspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of prayer and offer up thy sacraments upon my holy day;
10 For verily this is a day appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High;
11 Nevertheless thy vows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times;
12 But remember that on this, the Lord's day, thou shalt offer thine oblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, confessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord.
13 And on this day thou shalt do none other thing, only let thy food be prepared with singleness of heart that thy fasting may be perfect, or, in other words, that thy joy may be full.
14 Verily, this is fasting and prayer, or in other words, rejoicing and prayer.
15 And inasmuch as ye do these things with thanksgiving, with cheerful hearts and countenances, not with much laughter, for this is sin, but with a glad heart and a cheerful countenance—
16 Verily I say, that inasmuch as ye do this, the fulness of the earth is yours, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which climbeth upon the trees and walketh upon the earth;
17 Yea, and the herb, and the good things which come of the earth, whether for food or for raiment, or for houses, or for barns, or for orchards, or for gardens, or for vineyards;
18 Yea, all things which come of the earth, in the season thereof, are made for the benefit and the use of man, both to please the eye and to gladden the heart;
19 Yea, for food and for raiment, for taste and for smell, to strengthen the body and to enliven the soul.
20 And it pleaseth God that he hath given all these things unto man; for unto this end were they made to be used, with judgment, not to excess, neither by extortion.
21 And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is his wrath kindled, save those who confess not his hand in all things, and obey not his commandments.
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Jun 9, 2007, 09:31 AM
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[QUOTE=Lacey5765]How about this idea? The account of the Commandments is from an Israelites perspetive. So wouldn't it be that the recording would address them? It isn't an exclusionary statement that the commandments were only for them. QUOTE]
My first marriage was to a Mormon (she called herself a "jack Mormon" which, apparently, meant "someone raised in the Mormon church but who liked to party a lot." We were both very young and did a lot of drinking and other unsavory activities. Anyhow, I lived in Logan and Ogden, Utah in the middle of Mormon country. I used to party at a little bar in a town called Midway. I worked in Centerville for awhile. Although I am not LDS I knew a number of very good and upright individuals who were. We stayed at my wife's parents' house for awhile and they were very gracious towards me even though I was living an ungodly life. They lived by a high moral standard; were helpful to their neighbors; prayed before every meal; kept the Sabbath day holy and rested (accept to feed the livestock). I was impressed by their lifestyle and I'm sure that they influenced me in more ways than I know. I do have trouble with adding to or taking away from the Holy Bible though. I've never known them to take away from the Bible but they have added to it. I believe that the Bible is sufficient. My opinion. Nothing against the Mormons personally.
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Jun 9, 2007, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lacey5765
15 And inasmuch as ye do these things with thanksgiving, with cheerful hearts and countenances, not with much laughter, for this is sin, but with a glad heart and a cheerful countenance—
This puts me in mind of what a friend of mine who has bipolar disorder said about how to get out of the mental hospital after a manic episode: "I learned you got to be happy, but not too happy".
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Jun 9, 2007, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Hope12
Christian follower's of Christ are no longer under the ten commandments however the principles of those commandments are still obeyed in the sense that as Christians with deep love for God and others, and our obedience to the “law of Christ”, we cover not only the “Law of Christ” but also the principles of the ten commandments.
So am I right to conclude that with regard to the fourth comamdment specifically, you would say that worshipping on Sunday (or Tuesday, for that matter) follows "the principles" of the comandment just as well as worshipping on Saturday does? Even though the commandment itself explains why the seventh day is designated: "For in six days, the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day, wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it"? Nothing about Jesus' life, death or resurrection changed any of that did it?
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Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
So am I right to conclude that with regard to the fourth comamdment specifically, you would say that worshipping on Sunday (or Tuesday, for that matter) follows "the principles" of the comandment just as well as worshipping on Saturday does? Even though the commandment itself explains why the seventh day is designated: "For in six days, the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day, wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it"? Nothing about Jesus' life, death or resurrection changed any of that did it?
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The Apostles met on the first day of the week.
This question about the Sabbath rest was addressed last month here. The Greek text calls the Sabbath -the first day of the week.
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Jun 9, 2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Retrotia
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The Apostles met on the first day of the week. This question about the Sabbath rest was addressed last month here. The Greek text calls the Sabbath -the first day of the week.
The word "sabbath" when used in the New Testament almost always refers to the seventh day of the week. There were times when it was used to describe the first day of the week but the deeper meaning of the word meant "to meet the first day after the sabbath." See the Thayer Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament word #4521. The numbers used in Thayers Lexicons of the Old and New Testament are coded to Strongs number system as found in the Strong's Exhuastive Concordance.
Although the monthly cycles have been altered from time to time on various calendars, the weekly cycle has remained constant throughout history.
God, Himself, rested on the seventh day and called it a holy day.
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" Exodus 20:8-11
If we, mere mortal man, can alter God's 4th Command, then we can change any of His commands to suit our whims.
Take note of these important warnings:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him. Add thou not unto His words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." Proverb 30:5-6
"What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminsh from it." Deuteronomy 12:32
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8
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Alter? Suit my own whim? I'll pretend I didn't read that lest I have to pretend you offered an apology.
While the day of rest, the Sabbath day, held significance to the people of Israel, the first day of the week holds special meaning to Christians. It was on the first day of the week that our Lord rose from the grave. "Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. ... Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him" (Mark 16:1-2, 6; see also Luke 24:1; John 20:1). And the Lord's church was established on the day of Pentecost, which always falls on the first day of the week (Acts 2:1ff). Hence, the first day of the week became known as "the Lord's Day." "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet" (Revelation 1:10).
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