My employer and i agreed on a net amount as my salary. so i wonder, when tithing my 10% to the church, should it be calculated from my gross or net income?
I must agree with Donn.
The proper tithe is 10% of our gross if not more.
Much is expected from those who have been given much,
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Isneezefunny,
That example has already been used. Pray about it. You cannot outgive God. Read the book "The Treasure Principal" by Randy Alcorn. That book had a deep effect on me and my relationship with God and money. Sorry about a severely impaired presence for the next nine years that you mentioned. May God go with you by being in you.
Jeff, if you are tithing on your net, then you are cheating God!
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Oh Donn, you are so WRONG on this.
Number one, you don't know Jeff's relationship with his god and to make such a statement is audacious. Tithing doe3sn,t have to be about money only. Our time and talent given in the glory of God is our gift to God too. How do you measure that? He may well be giving much more than 10% between his money, time, and talent.
Number Two When I was little, I got 30 cents a week for allowance. In Sunday school, I used to put a nickle in the offering plate. There was a girl in my class ( look down you nose Cindy Terry) that made fun of me because my offering was so small. Her father gave her money to drop in the plate and it was much more than mine. I explained to her that I made 30 cents/week. That 10% would be 3 cents and that I was actually giving more than 10%. I felt embarrassed and stupid because of her judgment. I tell this story just to point out AGAIN one of the many reasons, I associate the term christian with hypocrite. I was going over and above what the literal word of the bible required and it still was looked down on by other christians. It made me think that christians hearts were not always in the right place and that our biggest gift to God would be to behave in a way that was "Christ like". Tithing is not all about money. To say he is cheating God sounds like something that Cindy person would say.
No help,
I hope this helps.
There are many people that ask about the definition of the tithe compared other types of gifts. The tithe definition in its broadest sense means a tenth of one’s increase - Deuteronomy 14:22. That is the broadest definition of tithe that is accepted by most of the population. There are even more defined meanings of tithing out there. For instance some would say that the definition of the tithe by nature, goes to your local church, and is taken off of your gross income. This is because the tithe was delivered to the local storehouse in the Old Testament - Malachi 3:10, and in Proverbs 3:9 we are to honor the Lord with the first fruits of our increase.
Scholars and theologians constantly debate about the tithe definition. Mainly because the tithe’s function was prescribed in detail in the old testament, defined for the nation of Israel, and was not done so for the Church in the NT. There seems to be many holes and many opportunities for personal interpretation of how we should prescribe the tithe into the New Testament Church.
The definition of the tithe was very simple and plainly laid out for Israel. They were to gather their harvest and count the tithe out from what they’ve gathered. For instance, if you had 100 apples, you must count them out from one-to-ten, and the tenth one you set aside for the Lord - Leviticus 27:32. As is stated in the previous verse, it did not matter if that tenth one was bruised or under-sized, you still set it aside. Also, you set the tenth one aside, not the first one aside.
There were other rules under the tithe definition. First, the tithe generally went to the Levites, and in turn the levites gave a tenth of their tenth to the priestly line for the work of the temple. Next, there were generally three different “types” of the tithe. first, was the poor tithe - Deuteronomy 26:12. Second, was the feast tithe - Deuteronomy 14:22-23. Third, was the Levitical tithe - Numbers 18:24. Practically, the tithe included the poor and the Levites all the time, but those are generally how the tithe is categorized. The feast tithe was the most unique and was consumed by the whole nation of Israel as a feast celebration.
Most people argue that the total amount of tithes given by Israel equaled over 23%. I don’t follow that logic, just for the simple fact that when the bible says 10% of all your increase, generally it means just 10%. Maybe that’s too simple minded? I don’t know? Also genealogy and numbering records have shown that a 10% gift from the whole nation of Israel was plenty enough to take care of the small tribe of Levi.
Now that we got an abridged version of the tithe definition for Israel, what about the definition for the Church? Truthfully, you are asking the wrong person. I feel the definition of the tithe for the church is far more complicated than the IRS tax code. Like i said above, the definition of tithing for the New Testament Church has many holes and opportunities for personal interpretation. I’m of the persuasion that it doesn’t belong in the Spirit-led Church. I know. . . I know what you’re saying, how can the Church operate without the tithe? Well, first of all, the Church is not the nation of Israel so it has no need to operate under Israel’s strict code of laws. The Church operates under the capacity of the Holy Spirit in tune with the principles of God’s word. Yes, God’s word said don’t eat unclean meat, circumcise your sons, tithe of your increase . . . and so forth, but i said the Holy Spirit is in tune with the PRINCIPLES of God’s word.
I say you like to make things complicated for the fun of it. Well, fun for you. All this is ridiculous. Give in accordance with YOUR heart and you don't need to concern yourself with anyone elses heart. That is between them and God.
cozyk,
You have made a good point.
I have given 10 % of my gross, plus time and effort to the Church.
If I had given less money in the long run total of all efforts I still may have given more than 10%.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Are we all in agreement that that's between you and God? i think so. though personally i will tithe from gross. coz i knew that from before, only that when my salary increased, i felt like thats too much to give, but i knew deep inside what God is telling me. but from what i have grown up knowing, is that its 10% gross. i am not saying that this is the right amount but for me, this is. but reading from all the posts you guys have sent, i felt like we are confusing three things: tithe, offering and First Fruits. Can somebody really diferentiate the three in a very simple way please.