I believe that no man or women should ever be allowed to serve as a minster or a leader of any church that represents God. Why?

To be frank, the Bible condemns homosexuality. No amount of verbal hocus-pocus can make scriptures like Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26, 27 disappear.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
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9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Mankind has become very tolerant and will make all kinds of excuses and take the Bible and twist it to fit what they want it to, so as to do their own thing. They even go as far as saying that if a Christian is to love all people then they need to love the gay person. As a Christian myself, I do love all people including homosexuals, I though hate their behavior and their choice to go against God's laws. I am able to separate the person from their behavior or actions. God does not approve of homosexuality but He also does not approve of a Christian treating anyone harshly or to hate them in any way. I also feel that gays are welcome into the the congregation I attend, but they will be asked to respect God's house by obeying His commandments and laws about proper conduct. A gay person would not be serving as a leader in the congregation that I attend. How could they? They are suppose to be representing the supreme Sovereign of the universe. They can not serve God and Satan. The Bible forcefully admonishes, "O you lovers of God hate what is bad." Psalm 97:10 Homosexuals who want to serve God must do so on his terms, not there own.

If Leaders in the Congregation of God allows these gays to enter into a leader position and to try to teach others to do God's will and they themselves are not obedient to God's laws, and they approve of homosexuals becoming priest and leaders of their church, this is detestable in God's eyes and I truly feel sorry for the future generations. Gay or homosexual behavior is not approved by God nor should their conduct be welcomed in any place of worship of those claiming to serve God.

As a minister of God, I welcome all persons gay, straight, thieves, murders and sinners, but once you enter the congregation of God, all the conduct that God does not approve of will never be welcomed. We can not serve the God of the Bible and not obey his laws against homosexuality. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroy in Lots day. Why? Homosexuality was one of the reasons. One reason I don't go to the churches of this world is because of this very thing. As a Christian, Jesus Christ is the head of the Congregation. Those who take the lead in the congregation must become workers for the members of the congregation, under Christ. There are requirements that those taking the lead in the congregational affairs must adhere to. Notice what the Bible says these qualification are. Here is God's view on the matter.

I quote:
(1 Timothy 3:1-7) 3 That statement is faithful. If any man is reaching out for an office of overseer, he is desirous of a fine work. 2The overseer should therefore be irrepressible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach, 3not a drunken brawler, not a smiter, but reasonable, not belligerent, not a lover of money, 4a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having children in subjection with all seriousness; 5(if indeed any man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of God's congregation?) 6not a newly converted man, for fear that he might get puffed up [with pride] and fall into the judgment passed upon the Devil. 7Moreover, he should also have a fine testimony from people on the outside, in order that he might not fall into reproach and a snare of the Devil.

(Titus 1:5-9) 5For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might correct the things that were defective and might make appointments of older men in city after city, as I gave you orders; 6if there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children that were not under a charge of debauchery nor unruly. 7For an overseer must be free from accusation as God's steward, not self-willed, not prone to wrath, not a drunken brawler, not a smiter, not greedy of dishonest gain, 8but hospitable, a lover of goodness, sound in mind, righteous, loyal, self-controlled, 9holding firmly to the faithful word as respects his [art of] teaching, that he may be able both to exhort by the teaching that is healthful and to reprove those who contradict.

1 Thess. 4:3-8: "This is what God wills ... that you abstain from fornication; that each one of you should know how to get possession of his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in covetous sexual appetite such as also those nations have which do not know God; that no one go to the point of harming and encroach upon the rights of his brother in this matter, because God is one who exacts punishment for all these things, just as we told you beforehand and also gave you a thorough witness. For God called us, not with allowance for uncleanness, but in connection with sanctification. So, then, the man that shows disregard is disregarding, not man, but God, who puts his holy spirit in you."

Eph. 5:5: "No fornicator or unclean person or greedy person-which means being an idolater-has any inheritance in the kingdom of the Christ and of God."
People do change though and many who used to practice homosexuality are now Christians and serving God and obeying his laws. They learn God's way of Cleanliness and they have changed their ways to gain God's approval and with His approval comes many blessings. You see, God is love and he does forgive, if we choose to obey Him and do things his way, not the way of this world. God wants his followers and servants to be clean because He is clean. Anyone overseeing the Christian congregation therefore will have to be clean in God's eyes.

Comments?
Take care,
Hope12

margarita_momma

I am glad this thread was resurrected. Makes me even happier that I am now an atheist. I don't have to judge anyone and I can look at everyone in the same light and not be judging people on who they want to love or be with. This is why I don't believe in God or the bible. I believe you should love everyone EQUALLY. Shame on some of you....shame.

P.S.

Karma Karma Karma

phil_stl

Every part of your statement doesn’t make any sense regarding those you are blatantly accusing of judging others.

My question for you is: what CULT were you a part of that required you to judge someone else?
Because it definitely wasn’t any religion I have heard of! More specifically it definitely couldn’t have been Christianity (which is what this thread is talking about), which means you are either off topic if you are talking about a cult you were in, or you are ill-informed regarding the Bible if you are talking about Christianity.

Why? Because Christians are taught in many different scriptures that judging others is a sin and that they are not to do it (just like they are taught homosexuality is a sin). A sin is a sin and all are viewed in the same light in God’s eyes (this is from the Bible by the way). People that feel that they are to judge homosexuals have miss-interpreted the Bible and have ignored important scriptures as Christians should not hate homosexuals but instead their choice to continually sin! Therefore people that choose to sin continually should not be rewarded – especially with the job of teaching others how to stay away from sin.

They should also look at the conclusion of the Bible and act on that… what is it?… well it’s the New Testament and what does it incite us to do? Follow Jesus’s example! Jesus doesn’t treat gays unfairly nor should any Christian do so because Christians should follow his example!


And so does the Bible and Jesus shows this through his actions in the New Testament! So wait… why was it again that you don’t believe in the Bible?!??



This phrase says a lot regarding the integrity of your whole statement/argument! You condemn people that judge others; you accuse the Bible (unless you really were talking about some cult you were in) of being a book that incites people to judge others and also say that this is the reason you have lost your faith BUT you are finishing by using a word that is intended for judgment!


In case you didn’t know, Karma is a Buddhist term. You are atheist. Now I understand what you are probably trying to say is you use this as your morals so all I have to say is that is wonderful that you still have good morals, but don’t forget the definition/explanation of the word is also found in the Bible when it says to “treat others as you yourself would like to be treated.”

Need I say more? Every part of your statement does not flow with the rest of itself or hold water period. If you are going to say something don't contradict it seconds later. I think you should also try reading the Bible without putting your own twist on what it says. Because I know for a fact even though English may not be my mother tongue, Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged" is pretty straight forward and doesn't mean "You have to judge anyone" like you said at the start of your message, but actually "Do not judge" means... Do not judge! No matter what language you translate that to.

talaniman

If someone is attracted to the same sex, but is celibate, does that make a difference? Is just being gay a sin? This is a double edge sword because it may include in this sin, a commited monogamous couple, who can never marry his/her partner.

Christian at Heart

Hi Everybody,
Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; what is detestable. Lev. 18: 22 are clearcut words that should not be ignored. detestable stands for abhorred, atrrocious, god-awful, despicable , disgusting. God says we should love them as we are suppose to love our neighbors, but He also says not to condone their sin. To give someone that is homosexual a leading position in church, is therefore clearly wrong.

Christian at Heart

Hi Magarita Moma,
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities- his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, beeing understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they new God , they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkend. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fool,s and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impuruty for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped created things rather than the Creator- who is forever praised. Amen
This is taken word for word from God's true word the bible in Romans 1: 20-25 NIV
It would not hurt you to read the rest of the chapter. I hope you did not burn your bible. It is never to late to repent.

talaniman

I'm still confused since how do you know if someone is gay or not, unless they say so????? I mean if the head minister never says he is gay, how can you not stop him from being head minister, or whatever title is correct?

Fr_Chuck

Perhaps because there were no open homosexuals at that time, and of course he did when he accepted all of the scriptures as valid and taught from them in the temple.

And of course since all sin can be forgiven a divorced person can be forgiven for his divorce, and a homosexual can be forgiven, all he has to do is stop his sexual activities, since being forgiveen needs repentence, so the sinner has to admit thier sin ( at least to thierself) and ask to be forgiven, That is the homosexuals problem, they can not truly get forgiven, since they are not turning from thier sin

talaniman

My question was a gay person who is celibate, being a leader of the church.

Fr_Chuck

A gay person who is celebrate is not in sin, and can easily be a leader in the church, we have several in our church who are priests, Bishops and also hermits who are gay but have turned from the active life style.

margarita_momma