With all do respect ( and please forgive my English) I think that we all miss something very important here.
We forgett that if I have sex with someone , I am one flesh with that person , in other words , married to that person and that's how God sees me.
If I amy say , dear unknown624,you could ask your friend that you care so much about, if she would like to be considered married before God, if your friend cares about God, because if she does not then probably you are just losing your time.But to those who really care about God , having sex with a person is equal to be married to that person.It's as simple as that!

Why do you think otherwise?

Because it's simply not what those verses mean. Read them in context.

Plus, God's grace is sufficient for me. Jesus' sacrifice was "good enough" to abolish eternal death for believers and to restore them to God's favor.

Then explain them to me by what other scripture says about the subject of death. This is the only way to prove the certainty of meaning of any scripture not by opinion or statement.

It's not my opinion. What do you want to know about death? Ask specific questions, and I will give you Biblical answers.

(It's 3:15 a.m. here in Chicagoland, and I must go to bed, but I will look for your questions when I am back online in the morning--after a cup or two of coffee.)

Dear Patriarch! I think you are focusing on the tree here than on the forest.
There are verces in the book of Ecclesiastes that you cannot isolate the way you do from the rest of the book because they can really mislead you.
The whole message of the book is coverd in chapter 12 ver. 13,14... 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

In other words I cannot say who's going to hell and who's not that's God's job , because there are many secret things , good and evil.

Do not judge by the phenomenon that can mislead even the strongest , but judge in Christ who can save even the weakest!

Unknown,

There is NOTHING in the scripture that says that you will to Hell if you have sex before marriage! That is simply not true and there would be hardly anyone there if that were the case. You go to hell by denying Jesus Christ as your savior... nothing else will send you there.

Having said that, there is plenty in the scripture that says that sex outside of marriage is a sin. It is a sin because it isn't good for us. It can cause disease and relationship issues, and can even mess with our emotions in a very negative way. But even more importantly I believe the Bible teaches it is a sacred and spirtual act that is meant for husband and wife. It is beautiful and God isn't trying to keep something from you, He is trying to give something special to you... if you will heed his Word. That is my two cents.

God condemns all those who have committed sexual sins.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
This would even include lust.
Matthew 5:27-30 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
All of us have broken God's commandments, and we need a Savior. But there here is some good news. God promises to save any sinner who repents of their sins, and places their trust in Jesus Christ alone as their Lord and Savior.
1 John 1:7-10 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
If your friend places her trust in the Lord, she will not go to hell.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
If she rejects Christ, she will be thrown into the lake of fire, whether she commits fornication or not.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Not quite. God (the Law) condemns ALL sinners for ALL sins, big or small.

[QUOTE=Wondergirl;1293179]It's not my opinion. What do you want to know about death? Ask specific questions, and I will give you Biblical answers.


Please use scriptures that back up your rebuttal of my statements. This will prove that your assertions are not merely your opinion. Also, take note that since the Bible is in total harmony, the scriptural explanations you use should be in harmony with all other scriptures on any particular subject. If the scripture(s) you use are contradictory with other scriptures then the explanation of such will be inaccurate.

This is true for there are many false prophets in the world, even those who claim to be Christian-- Matthew 7:15-23, 10:16, 15:1, 3, 24:4, 5; Acts 20:29, 30

Dear Patriarch!
You write somewhere that every one who dies go to hell and then you use verses from the Ecclesiastes book to support your opinion.
I have one question... Since as you say that everyone who dies go to hell , when Jesus died did He go to hell also?If everyone who dies go to hell , then why did the Lord say to the criminal that was crusified with Him that they will both be together in Paradise that night?Not everyone who dies go to hell but everyone who is in hell , is dead!Death is not hell, but hell is death.The verses you used simply do not match with sex before marriage , and that is the question here.How did death come up?
Your judgement comes easily , but remember that the Pharisses did the same thing.They judged by the word of the law and not by the Spirit of the Law.
So what about death?Do you actually say that everyone who dies go to hell?What about Lazarus and the rich guy?Where did Lazarus go after his death?Definetaly not in hell!So how can you say what you say?If you say that everyone who lives his life in sin until his death will go to hell then I agree with you , but this is something else from everyone who dies go to hell.

Back to my old argument, how valuable is the bible if everyone is trying to figure out what it REALLY means when it says this or that. Who is to say what is really meant by a verse?

To your question whether this girl will go to hell my candid answer is that NOBODY can tell. In the first place, let us hope she will live long enough to have plenty of opportunities to work for her own Salvation, is she believes in that possibility.

Being punished with whatever waits for us sinners who do not sincerely repent is something we cannot anticipate, as we cannot anticipate any of GOD’s designs.
If you read DANTE’s Divine Comedy, you will see that he “confortably” installs into Hell a lot of people that we should think we have gone directly to Heaven. Even some Popes! Of course, this is a fiction, but it has a lot of common sense in it.

On the other hand, premarital sex does not guarantee a successful marital life afterwards, and it does guarantee, instead, a potential source of problems which can be everyday seen and heard of in our media.

To stop this girl from doing it, you can only apply to her common sense! We have ALL being young, and we have ALL felt like having sex before having been married. I for one kept on begging my wife-to-be for the 3 last years before our marriage! Her answer was always the same – a flat NO! This next May we shall have been 59 years happily married!
Early sex may shorten sexual interest when married. We all know that the passion of newly weds does not last long! If they spend it before getting married what will be left for afterwards?

Perhaps this is one of the reasons so many couples who are living together for a while decide to get married one good day to divorce a few months later...

My gosh people!
This was originally written over 18 months ago, think it might be dead by now?

And your point is..

unknown624,
If a person wants to mess up the rest of their life having sex before marriage is a great way to do that.
So far there has been some good advice given and it should be followed.
Keep in mind that having sex before marriage something special is gone forever and great danger for someone so young has taken place.
Condoms are not 100% safe and should not be trusted. They break, they leak and sometime they come off.
Resisting the temptation to have sex builds character. It is a great way to strengthen ones self for trials in later life.
It is also a great way to be proud on ones self rather than regretting for the rest of life something a person has done that could have been avoided.
This is one of those times that saying "NO!!!!" is extremely important.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I don't think its as simple as 'if u have sex before marriage u are going to hell' because Gos forgives every sin and also James said that a man that keeps all of Gods laws except one is as guilty as a man who brakes all of Gods laws. So doesn't that show that every sin is equal and we were born as sinners? We are always making mistakes but I don't think u should concentrate on them but concentrate on helping others and in your case I agree with the parenting expert, u should explain that it puts her in risk of getting pregnant and she is too young. Because also having sex is a way of binding two people together and most of the time at 16 your too young to make the decision as to who your going to be bound to for the rest of your life...
that's just my thoughts.. :)

Penguinio, Thanks for your thots on that.
Fred

I what I said can be considered a piece of good advice, then I think tha date of the thread is irrelevant.
In fact, I believe it can be applied to anybody facing the same problem.