Is this right?

I know that. I made a statement that the church have backed many doctrines based on what the situations of the time. Some of those descisions could not have came from Gods knowlegde, but what man felt was right. I was asked to name one, I did. My point is that the church is capable of making mistakes-it is my belief that the Omnipotent does not. So because we learn something in church doesn't make it 100% right. That was my other point.

You might want to read this article. It was written by a nonCatholic interested in the subject:

Wil Milan is an astrophotographer based in Arizona.Though he is not a Catholic, he takes great interest in the history of astronomy. Some of his work can be seen on the World Wide Web at (site under reconstruction -- please return at a later date).


TWISTING THE KNIFE (This Rock: November-December 1999)

Sincerely,

De Maria

There were men in the church that supported him, yes I know that, but not the church as an institution. We are talking about the institution.
I like chatting with you.

According to the two articles you have advised me to read your point of view seems to be right. I can admit that. But there are 150 articles that will say you are wrong. Is the majority always right we know that is not always true. But what can we go by for now. God does not make them mistakes man does. My point, we can put to much faith in institutional beliefs, instead of trying to understand God on a personal level. Many believe that we can not understand without the institution. I have a different understanding, as you can probably tell.

Thanks. I admire that.

Agree.

As I understand the purpose of the Institution which we are speaking of, the Catholic Church. Jesus Christ put her on this earth in order to help us understand God on a personal level.

Yes.

Thanks for sharing your views.

Sincerely,

De Maria

He allows free choice. What He has planned for us and what we choose may not be the same. If we choose in line with His will for us then we get the blessings He has prepared. If our choices are not in line with His will, then He holds back the gifts He wanted to give. Premarital sex is definitely not in His will.

Ah, this is one of those questions that can never be answered as none of us can stand up and say 'This is what God wants!'
Without being rude I think it is arrogant to stand up and say you know what God is thinking.
A lot of the problems in the world come from people arguing and going to war over what they claim God said and wants them to do.
Follow your own conscience and spiritual path.

Any sin is against Gods will. So can anyone gain Gods favor and keep it? I do not think God takes his blessing from us. I think it is us who turns our back On God. Will God not bless you if you have a child out of wedlock I do not think so. Will he let you see the consequences of your action, more than likely.

I like your answer, and I agree, but it is fun to hear people trying!

^^^ GREAT ANSWER!

There were many prime examples in the Bible, favored men of God, whom of which had relations outside of their marriage (s), had relations prior to marriage, had children out of wedlock, etc. And they were not punished by God nor society at the time.

The church and society have since demonized sexual relations.

When someone, anyone, suggests the church can teach you I call BULL! The BIBLE and ONLY the Bible can teach you. If you ask questions of man (human) you are likely to get opinion and their understanding. As we know humans are fallible thus their opinions and understandings are subject to being incorrect.

Your best course of action is to read EVERY word of the Bible from cover to cover, in order, without missing one word and to do this over and over again in order to gain understanding of the whole, rather than looking to one or two scriptures without considering their context to gain perspective as that can only lead you further astray.

(apologies for the run-on sentence...)

Best wishes.

Actually sex outside of marriage has long been wrong to society and has always been against Gods rules. It is often that they were punished by God in various ways, perhaps not lighting from heaven but for sure they lost favor in many ways, It is often their turning from their sin and asking forgiveness that got them back in God's grace.

And yes it is very easy to know and find God's will, it is called the Bible, it elss us what God wants and what is right and wrong in our life.

And yes the church can teach you, it does so by helping you understnad the bible, since one has to know the customs and traditions of the varoius times to fully understand, And since most people do not know greek or hewbrew they need skilled and trained people to help them understand many thinga.