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What are your thoughts about the return of Jesus Christ? Do you think it will be before, during, or after the Great Tribulation? Do you believe it will happen, or not?
Rob, I need to address one thing you just stated. We all sin and we all repeat sin. It is a fact. In order, though, for us to have an abundant and blessed life and to be pleasing to our Father in Heaven, we must try to be vigulant to be loving and kind and to do right by others. He is our Father in deed, and He will reward or punish us according to our lives which He alone should judge.
I don't know if you were implyig that Christians would lose their salvation by sinning, but I answer with a resounding NO. His relationship with us is like our own with our children. We get disappointed at times and will punish at times when our children do wrong. We will never forsake them. They belong to us, and we belong to them. Once our name is written in the Book of Life, it will NOT be ereased. That is God's promise to us. ALL of us sinning Christians.
Since I want the blessings that go along with an obediant life, I try my best and besides, I feel close to God in the process. I fear the loss of blessings here on Earth due to sin, not the loss of my eternal promise.
Just wanted to clear that one up. Blessings to you and yours.
I understand how you may have misunderstood what I said....We are human, we sin, we make mistakes and we are infallible. We were meant to have perfection, but long story short, we tempted our own fate. The wonderful gift of free-choice that God gave us is something that we deal with each day. We make good choices and we make bad ones too. “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). Which is perhaps the biggest sin....LOL!
We (all of us) GAIN our salvation by repenting our sins. The Bible pretty much tells us that after Jesus was crucified that he became our 'way to God'....I honestly think that by that time God was so fed up with us as whole he decided to step back and let our history continue as phophesied. No matter what we do, even after repenting and asking for forgiveness--we are still going to be imperfect, we are still going to sin. I believe that when people do this, they become more aware of what they are doing and really try to become more like the people Jesus tried to teach us to become.
And of course...if a person is only interested in salvation as the bottom line, I don't think they have their 'heart' into it. I think that each day we are given a new begining, new hope and new opportunities to become better people. However, when a person continues to push God away, eventually God will go away. He will harden the heart and that person will be lost.
On one hand--REV 3:14 says that those who overcome will not be erased from the Book of Life, that Jesus will confess his/her name before God and the Angels. On the other hand, PS 69:28 talks about being erased from the Book of Life and not recorded with the righteous. That would lead me to believe that one can be erased...but as I said before--we have free-will and we can make the choice to be confessed before God--or blotted out.
Rob, I think that verse is referring to Earthly life. I think we have intrepretation differences. Nonetheless, I respect your right to a difference of opinion. Blessings.
Can you explain why you believe that verse refers to Earthly Life?
I really am curious, to me, part of learning the Bible and understanding it is to be open to realizing that I may not totally understand every word written...it's a constant learning process.
Well, it is hard for me to explain, but I was on another site, wondir and a guy with the handle, MRK, I believe it was MRK had explained it. It made sense to me. He said there is the Book of the Living and the Book of Life and they are referring to earthly life and eternal life respectively. Anyway, I just feel strongly about this. I am just a gal who was raised hearing it this way, and it rings true.
I responded to you on my question post, where I asked you if you can imagine NOT being a Christian? I cannot. I believe true repentance cannot be shaken loose. We cannot judge whether those who claim to once have been Christian ever truely took the step. It is inconceivable to me. Really, in life's practicalities, can you imagine not having the Holy Spirit with you to love and to guide you? The faith in me is sooo strong, I cannot imagine it not being the same for other Christians.
Sorry my answer isn't more sufficient. I am not a teacher...just a believer.
I think that all Believers are teachers in some sense of the word!
I don't think it's up to us to judge people either--only God truly knows what is in a person's heart. It's really easy for us to sit around and say what someone else does is wrong--but to say that God won't forgive it...not our choice. We can choose not to be around those who test our faith, we can also look at something and allow that's it's wrong, but as I said--that ultimate forgiveness is up to Him.
I can imagine it--I was raised in a way that 'taught it', but until I really decided to learn it and understand it--I did not fathom how much impact it would have on my life. Not saying that I've grown a halo or anything--wow--I know I try His patience! But I somehow feel that there is more to me now. Hard to explain, it feels good though.
TRy reading this it may help with all different views, and possibly answer all your questions. Are We Living in the End Times? (Hardcover)
by Tim F. LaHaye (Author), Jerry B. Jenkins (Author)
well i dont know what i believe about that but what do u think?
Who? Me? Well, here's what I believe. Jesus will come back. I believe it will be pre-tribulation, because the Great Tribulation is when God finally pours His anger out on a rebellious humanity, and the Bible tells believers that they are not appointed for wrath. Also Jesus said it would be like it was in the days of Noah and Lot. I believe the point there is that Noah and his immediate family were on board the ark when it started to rain, and Lot was safely out of Sodom before the fire fell on it. But if God chooses to keep believers safe in the midst of the Great Tribulation, that would be OK too, but I don't read the Scriptures that way. The main point is simply, are you ready?
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