Repentace for Homosexual

If you had read the Bible much you would understand the reasoning behind my statements. God exists I believe as do all of the Christian faiths believe. God gave us free will to accept or reject his teachings. If you choose to reject them that is your free will, just like believing in many gods. But that is not what or how the bible teaches, so yes I do believe the bible.
Someone long ago far wiser than myself once said, "when in doubt, doubt the doubt".

Ah, but there's the rub. Why do you assume I haven't read or studied the Bible? Fact is I have spent many hours in classes at the two churches I attended in my youth in Bible study courses. I just reached a different conclusion than you did. Please don't make assumptions about my background just because I disagree with you.

As for your "When in doubt" quote, I don't think I like that one either. It seems to be saying to me, "If you already believe in something, don't question it". That doesn't seem wise to me at all.

OK, I accept where you are coming from. But wouldn't it have been easier to simply state that you were raised in church but have since decided that religion is not for you as the church teaches it? Instead of getting into a now 6 part discussion with me.
We disagree and will continue to disagree on the Bible and God.
Thanks for the discussion.

No, because my being raised in church and simply disagreeing with you does not impact the falsehood of your assertion:

"What a contradiction of statements here.
First you say "I happen to believe the bible is just one of many "game plans " (religions) for the human race to segregate."
Then you say "That inner voice you hear is God. " ... Either you believe in God and the Bible as the inspired word of God or you don't.

I have shown that based on your own holy book, Job had no knowledge of Christianity or the Scriptures as we know them, yet felt a connection with God. You claimed that you can't know God unless you know the Bible as well, and by the Bible's own stories, that is intellectually dishonest. I know a lot of Christians who would be surprised to learn that they aren't Christians because they don't believe the entirety of the Bible.

And if you give that impression to the person who asked the question, it might cause them to turn away from Christianity if they feel that there is no room for them. There are some sects and denominations who consider themselves Christian that also don't condemn homosexuality. It is this person's right to know that. I didn't come here to fight you, I came here to help someone.

I was waiting on you to jump in. What contradiction? I said the bible was one of the game plans, I didn't say it was MY game plan. I certainly do believe the inner voice is God. I believe God is in the awareness, the observer of my form and mind. I never said I wasGod, I said God was within me. It's very comforting to know that God is with me on this journey. Guess what? He is in you too. Let go of all that dogma long enough to recognize him.

Geckobellie
That is your opinion.
It most certainly is not mine.
To me and many others homosexual activity is a filthy, repulsive practice.

To a Christian, and remember we are under the Christianity threads, the bible is the main game plan. And expect to a few fringe groups it is the main and really only plan. Some groups may have other written material explaining their view points ( most do actually) but the bible is the main plan.

And for a Christian it is the only plan that leads to salvation, there are 100's of other plans but none that save. This is the Christian view point.

Now some groups have come to accept homosexuality as permitted in the last 50 years or so. Sadly I would say this is merely their wanting the donation dollar and preaching what people want to hear more than being bibical. There is no way you can take the bible and show that homosexuality is not a sin, now it is no worst sin or no better sin than others, it is just a sin. And I am talking about the acts, the lifestyle, not any personal feelings. A man may want to have sex with every women he meets, this is also a sin and is not allowed
Sin is not what we want or how we feel or if man thinks it should be or should not be, it is the written word of God. Those that try and make it say it is not a sin, merely play with words to even a layman it is obvoius.
So to have feelings, no we all have temptations of some sort, it is the actions we do that show where are hearts are at.

Just calling on Christ and even calling him Lord does not really make you a Christian, it may by the government rules in the US, but even the bible tells us that many who call him Lord he will not know.
We are known in our actions and in our lifes we live.

But to me, I personally condemn and consider those groups that do not follow the bible as not really Christian, the ECUSA for me has long ago left the Christian faith and it has for many of its members who leave by the 1000's each year.

And the debate rages on over what the Bible says or does not say or how people interpret it. Guess it will all be answered on judgment day for those that believe.

Fr_Chuck, and 450donn.
I agree.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Just so you know, you don't have to wait until judgment day to be with God. Every minute is judgment day. It's not a then, it's a now.