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Old Oct 14, 2007, 11:44 PM
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Proverbs 3: 5

"Lean not on thine own understanding", Prov. 3: 5. What does this mean but do not think for yourselves ? If we didn't lean on our own understanding we wouldn't have made all the progress we have, automobiles, air travel, space flight, modern medicine, the internet. We'd all still be in the dark ages if we didn't lean on our own understanding. If we didn't lean on our own understanding we wouldn't have these computers that we all find so useful that you all apparently like to use.

 
     

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Old Oct 17, 2007, 06:17 PM   #41  
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"Lean not on thine own understanding", Prov. 3: 5. What does this mean but do not think for yourselves ? If we didn't lean on our own understanding we wouldn't have made all the progress we have, automobiles, air travel, space flight, modern medicine, the internet. We'd all still be in the dark ages if we didn't lean on our own understanding. If we didn't lean on our own understanding we wouldn't have these computers that we all find so useful that you all apparently like to use.

Good question. First off let me clarify that I'm not a Christian, though I have a good respect for them. Since this question involves the Tanakh I would like to answer it.

The opening verses in Proverbs 3, according to the Hebrew translation, JPS, are "My son, do not forget my teaching." So right here we get an idea of subject, "teaching." What is that teaching? Well within the same verse we are told, "But let your mind retain my commandments." So here we have the subject teaching specifying the commandments.

The knowledge here spoke of is not the learning of educational technologies, advances medicines, or even communication, rather those commandments that G-d gave the ancient Hebrews, Tribes, the ancestors that is of modern Jews, and Gentiles (within the camps of Israelites) and to some degree all Gentiles since being under the Noachide laws.

When being taught Judaism, the rabbis teach that G-d gave the commandments and while we may understand on the surface the reason for a particular commandment, in actuality the reason we should observe any commandment is because G-d said so, not for us to guess or lean on our own understanding. In fact we (Jews and all believers in the G-d of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob) are told in the complete context of Proverbs 3:5, "Trust in the L-rd with all your heart, And do not rely on your own understanding."

BTW, Judaism and Christianity both teach that G-d gave us good minds to use, learn, help others, so as for the subject of advances in medicine, use of computers, science in general, this link supports thus action: Jewish Nobel Prize Winners



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Old Oct 17, 2007, 08:01 PM   #42  
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if we came from nothing, where did the nothing come from? and what is nothing? can you ever get order from chaos? look around you and see the work that declares the existence of the One True God.
Psalm 19
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
1THE HEAVENS declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows and proclaims His handiwork.(A)
2Day after day pours forth speech, and night after night shows forth knowledge.

3There is no speech nor spoken word [from the stars]; their voice is not heard.

4Yet their voice [in evidence] goes out through all the earth, their sayings to the end of the world.

And if you believe in evolution, why did some choose to crawl out of the water or ooze and not others? Why do humans have higher reasoning and not all creatures? how can you explain the intricacies of the eye? How about how you were formed? How do you explain why there is life if the universe should be declining? Why is there beauty and why is there music?
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There is a young new theory that mathmaticians & quantum phyicists are looking into, that the big bang that formed our universe was caused by a collision with another universe that exists along side ours in a higher dimension, & that this has been happening over & over again forever. Right now it's just a theory & it may never be proven, but there is always the chance this is the correct theory. That could explain existence without a Creator if ever proven true. But I doubt it will ever be proven true. I believe the standard big bang theory.

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I think it means like when I just have to do something and I can even give a bunch of reasons why I just have to do whatever and something keeps telling me no and I do it anyway and it turns out to be a disaster or days later I find out I should have waited and did whatever then and I jumped the gun and missed out on something or ended up having to redo it cause I didn't wait til the right time.
 
 
     
 
 
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OK, so why are you so angry? Do you want everyone to belive as you do? Can you not accept that there are those of us who are firm believers, and if so how does that affect what you believe?
If certain christian groups in America get their way America will become a totalitarian theocracy where there is no religious liberty or free speech or separation of church & state. If they get their way it will certainly affect my right to believe as I do. As long as there are people who believe the bible this danger will continue to exist.
 
 
     
 
 
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If certain christian groups in America get their way America will become a totalitarian theocracy where there is no religious liberty or free speech or separation of church & state. If they get their way it will certainly affect my right to believe as I do. As long as there are people who believe the bible this danger will continue to exist.

This is not going to happen deist. There are more people who do not believe in God/the Bible than those who do.
 
 
     
 
 
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This is not going to happen deist. There are more people who do not believe in God/the Bible than those who do.
The christian reconstructionists have already infiltrated the governement & they are influencing our laws. It only takes a few judges to impose crazy laws on all of us, whether they are outnumbered or not. I read on one website that president Bush has been known to consult with the reconstructionists.
 
 
     
 
 
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The christian reconstructionists have already infiltrated the governement & they are influencing our laws. It only takes a few judges to impose crazy laws on all of us, whether they are outnumbered or not. I read on one website that president Bush has been known to consult with the reconstructionists.

Would you care to elaborate more in depth as to what you are talking about? I don't understand. I have never heard of President Bush consulting with the reconstructionists. I highly doubt that such a thing is taking place.
 
 
     
 
 
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Would you care to elaborate more in depth as to what you are talking about? I don't understand. I have never heard of President Bush consulting with the reconstructionists. I highly doubt that such a thing is taking place.
Christian Reconstructionism and the Real Meaning of a Christian America
 
 
     
 
 
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If certain christian groups in America get their way America will become a totalitarian theocracy where there is no religious liberty or free speech or separation of church & state. If they get their way it will certainly affect my right to believe as I do. As long as there are people who believe the bible this danger will continue to exist.
The same could be said for the Muslim Faith and for Atheism. God is already being removed from places. God forbid you say the word in public and your ideas certainly affect my right to believe. The fact that you are here trying to brow beat Christianity attest to your freedom. Christianity is not the problem. Extremism from any front is the problem.
I think you may be barking up the wrong tree.
 
 
     
 
 
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I believe in freedom of religion, but I also think the Muslim faith is more dangerous to your way of life than Christianity is. But again, extremism of any kind is dangerous.
 
 
     


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