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Feb 20, 2007, 08:48 AM
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| | | Once saved always saved How many Christians believe in the addage, once saved always saved?
I have been a Christian since age 8 and never was sure until adulthood. I heard it said at the pulpit, that once you name is written in the Book of Life it cannot be erased. A good example of this is the relationship we have with our parents, if good.
We can disappoint them and frustrate them. They may even punish our behavior when we are wrong. They. on the other hand, will never cease to love us or to be our parents. As loving children who want a good relationship with them, we try hard to please. Blessings come from being pleaseing to our parents. They would cut their right arm off for us (not literal) if we are being loving and obedient. Reguardless, life is easier in obedience with our parents AND with the Lord.
Our sin, was paid for on the cross. Our eternal salvation is a guartantee once we are saved. Our blessings are not a guarantee however, unless obedience comes into play. In fact, how much harsher the punishment may be, coming from a parent than from a stranger.
Just wanted to give food for thought. Blessing to all. | | | | | | |
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Feb 20, 2007, 08:51 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by sexybeasty once you name is written in the Book of Life it cannot be erased. | I hope that isn't true. There are people who may have been sweet at 10 years old but as adults they are terrorizing others. |
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Feb 20, 2007, 09:10 AM
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| God sees us as his children throughout our lives. He wants us to keep in line. He gave Christians instructions. As human beings, whether Christian or not, we have the choice on how to live. Christians risk Earthly and Godly wrath if we try to hurt others. God wants His chilren in line. Believe it or not, most people care about the quality of their lives here on Earth and love God because of His love.
Security in salvatin is not a BAD thing. We still face punishment for wrongdoing. Believe me, it is true. |
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Feb 20, 2007, 09:18 AM
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| Not to make light of the subject...but have you read some of the posts in the Parenting or Children Forums? Some parents don't love their kids and some kids don't love their parents....
As for once saved, always saved...I don't think so. I figure it this way. My Father will love me inspite of my transgressions and the mistakes I make. But if I continue to make those mistakes--taking for granted His love and his forgiveness, I am thumbing my nose at Him. If I just carry on and do horrendous things because I can without the repercussion of losing His favor--what's the point in even loving, honoring or respecting Him and His will? I can go out and kill randomly for the 'fun' of it and still enoy the privilege of being in His glory upon my death... |
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Feb 20, 2007, 09:25 AM
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| Well, God is a good Father. As I stated, He will put is in our place and there WILL be Earthly consequences. We do not know the hearts of those who claim Christianity. We will see, in heaven that those we think got LOST were never FOUND.
I respect you opinion, Rob. I do not agree with it, but I fully respect it. God has such a stronghold on me, and I am sure you too. Can you imagine NOT having a place in your heart for God? I cannot. True Christianity cannot be shaken loose.
Some folks only respond to pressure, perhaps when growing up in Christian homes, and maybe their hearts never honestly took the step. I am not here to judge that, but to say I believe true repentance cannot shake the love given by our Lord. He that Knows the future, would not give something He did not intend for us to have. That is MY belief.
Carry on my good friend. |
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Feb 20, 2007, 09:55 AM
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| The defining term that you used--TRUE REPENTANCE. I do think once a person has been able to do just that--he/she will not be erased. It's the choice thing.
We are all there, we make the choice to stay there or not. That's just my understanding of it...the thing that matters most--is that we do have Him in our hearts and in our lives, beyond that, nothing else really matters does it?
Have a great day! |
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Feb 20, 2007, 10:07 AM
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| You too, sweetheart. |
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Feb 20, 2007, 10:29 AM
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| sexybeasty,
I agree that once your saved your always saved. That is a very strong Baptist belief. I was brought up both in Catholic and Baptist churches. Both teach and look at things a bit different but the fact remains is that we are all children of God. All of us. We need to learn that whenever we do fall, we do sin. Yes, we will get punished. Yes, they are consequences. I would say a lot of us do learn from our sins (mistakes) and grow and learn from them and do not commit the same sin again. Truly speaking human nature is sinful. Jesus came to teach us about God. To teach us about the true love of our father with his children and that we will have eternal promised life in the house of God when we leave this world.
Joe |
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Feb 20, 2007, 10:54 AM
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| It is nice to be on the same spiritual plane with a fellow Christian. You are fun to talk to Joe.
Cindy the beasty |
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Feb 20, 2007, 12:39 PM
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| I thought if a saved person does a 180 & then renounces Christ then they would no longer have salvation secured. But according to some Christians, they say he was never saved in the 1st place.
OK, so I was referred to Scripture. John 10:28(NKJV) "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand."
I do understand all you previous posters comments about repentance & renouncing sin keeps us filled with the peace, joy, & abundance that Christ has promised in this life.
Then while looking for an answer about renouncing Jesus after having been saved(&how would that affect salvation) I came across this particular paragraph from a Christian writer.
But what do you think it means?:
Can a saved person ever be lost? "For a believer to lose his salvation would demand a reversal and an undoing of all the preceding works of the Father, Son, and Spirit. The key issue in the discussion of the believer's security concerns the issue of who does the saving. If man is responsible for securing his salvation, then he can be lost; if God secures the person's salvation, then the person is forever secure." [4]
-Paul Enns
Other than that I know Born-again believers go to Heaven. What they'll be doing & what place they'll have depends on their "works" after they are saved.
But the question in blue, what does that mean? don't make me have to buy his book to find out! lol.  |
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