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Feb 20, 2007, 08:48 AM
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| | | Once saved always saved How many Christians believe in the addage, once saved always saved?
I have been a Christian since age 8 and never was sure until adulthood. I heard it said at the pulpit, that once you name is written in the Book of Life it cannot be erased. A good example of this is the relationship we have with our parents, if good.
We can disappoint them and frustrate them. They may even punish our behavior when we are wrong. They. on the other hand, will never cease to love us or to be our parents. As loving children who want a good relationship with them, we try hard to please. Blessings come from being pleaseing to our parents. They would cut their right arm off for us (not literal) if we are being loving and obedient. Reguardless, life is easier in obedience with our parents AND with the Lord.
Our sin, was paid for on the cross. Our eternal salvation is a guartantee once we are saved. Our blessings are not a guarantee however, unless obedience comes into play. In fact, how much harsher the punishment may be, coming from a parent than from a stranger.
Just wanted to give food for thought. Blessing to all. | | | | | | |
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Jul 27, 2007, 01:59 AM
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| I have unfortunately met a few people that believe their "alter call from the 70's" is ALL they needed to be concerned with...the type that will tell you, "If good works DON'T get you "in"....then why bother!!
Seriously sad.
Although we'll NEVER be perfect, there is that saying, "Go and sin no more".....its something worth TRYING.
Now, as for your question....or was it a thought? Anyway, I will give you the best, most truthful undeniable answer out there in 3 words or less......
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Jul 27, 2007, 12:03 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by go-ask-mom
Although we'll NEVER be perfect, there is that saying, "Go and sin no more".....its something worth TRYING.
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There is also that other saying, "Be ye therefore perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect."
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Jul 27, 2007, 10:17 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by Morganite There is also that other saying, "Be ye therefore perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect."
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Unfortunately, YE shall NEVER be perfect. No ye's, he's or she's!  Sorry! Saved by the grace of G_d! Yes. |
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Jul 28, 2007, 02:13 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by go-ask-mom Unfortunately, YE shall NEVER be perfect. No ye's, he's or she's!  Sorry! Saved by the grace of G_d! Yes. |
If human perfection is an impossibilty, then the Bible tells lies and Jesus tells his disciples to do the impossible. Is there nothing you have read in the Bible that leads you to the conclsion that humans are destined to be made perfect in eternity?
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Jul 28, 2007, 02:47 PM
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| Morganite,
Being perfect IS GOD"s standard. What should He say???...go and try to be the best you can. He can't say that. BUT ....HE knows we can't be perfect so he send HIS SON to be perfect for us. HIS STANDARD never changes.....WE are to be holy even as HE IS HOLY again HIS STANDARD!!!! But when I fall short..i hold on to HIS PROVISION! .... JESUS.
However...eternity is different. We will be made into HIS likeness. We will be perfect ONE DAY...just NOT now... |
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Jul 28, 2007, 10:39 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by Morganite If human perfection is an impossibilty, then the Bible tells lies and Jesus tells his disciples to do the impossible. Is there nothing you have read in the Bible that leads you to the conclsion that humans are destined to be made perfect in eternity?
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We wil NEVER be perfect! Human "perfection" IS IMPOSSIBLE on this earth.
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Jul 29, 2007, 05:25 AM
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| Hello Go-ask-mom,
One day we will all be perfect but not until it is time for us to be made perfect. Right now as sinful huans we are imperfect. Jesus came to earth to set matters straight so that once we have gained eternal life, we will be able to reach perfection.
Until then we must work and do the very best we can to follow Jesus' example closely. Remember this, we can not be perfect now. We are humans and sinful.
Once we recieve eternal life from God, then we will become perfect.
Just a side point here. Have you ever wondered what it would feel like to be perfect? Perfect body, mind, looks, and perfect thoughts and understanding? Wow! Now that is something to think about.
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Jul 30, 2007, 10:14 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by go-ask-mom We wil NEVER be perfect! Human "perfection" IS IMPOSSIBLE on this earth.
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You do not disagree with me, for I said,"humans are destined to be made perfect in eternity."
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Jul 30, 2007, 10:15 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by Tessy777 Morganite,
Being perfect IS GOD"s standard. What should He say???...go and try to be the best you can. He can't say that. BUT ....HE knows we can't be perfect so he send HIS SON to be perfect for us. HIS STANDARD never changes.....WE are to be holy even as HE IS HOLY again HIS STANDARD!!!! But when I fall short..i hold on to HIS PROVISION! .... JESUS.
However...eternity is different. We will be made into HIS likeness. We will be perfect ONE DAY...just NOT now... |
That is what I said, "humans are destined to be made perfect in eternity."
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Jul 31, 2007, 08:12 AM
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| Hello Everyone,
How too soon we forget! Remember the “Son of Sam?” He Killed six people and wounded others. Yet David Berkowitz claimed to be saved at a church meeting about 4 years prior to his killings. An army friend of his told him he wanted to go back for the evening program to make sure he was saved and that it took. One of the members of the church he went to declared: “ I am just thankful he was saved.” Why? “The Bible says, once saved, always saved.” (Taken from the New York Post, August 25,1977, PAGE 2)
Is the “Once saved always saved teaching, really come from the Bible? NO it does not!
Many who are sincere though feel that the Bible does say that. It’s true the Bible does say that the basis for salvation is not one’s works but, rather faith in Jesus Christ, along with God’s grace and mercy. Eph. 2:8,9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:4,5. Why even at 1 John 5:13 Jesus himself said: “he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life.” (AV)
The problem though is that some believe this to say that once one has everlasting life that he/she actually possesses it permanently, and they can never loss it. That belief is what brought the teaching of “once saved, always saved.” But what about the scriptures that state: “He that endureth to the end shall be saved>” Matthew 10:22; 24:12,13; Mark 13:13 (AV)
How can we understand these scriptures? Where God’s servants contradicting themselves? Or where they just expressing themselves from different points of view? The apostle Paul harmonizes each viewpoint. Hebrews 13:4 “For we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end.” (AV)
Paul liken our Christian course to a race, and we need to run that race to the end, The prize is everlasting life. No prize is ever given until the race has been won. There must be endurance until the end of the race. Some will tire out and go astray and some will finish the race. However, there is no prize until we finish. Once we have entered that race by being “saved” a Christian takes hold of the life which is life indeed, But it is possible to lose grip on life. Paul again tells us the one who finishes the race gets the prize so Paul urges us “So run that you may obtain it.:” Then Paul uses himself as an example and makes the point of his illustration, he continues: “I pummel my body and subdue it. Least after preaching to others, I myself should be disqualified. 1 Timothy
6:19 1 Corinthians 9:24-27.
Paul also warns against becoming overconfident, he uses the example of the Israelites who were saved through the Red Sea, yet fell into sin and wrong behavior in the wilderness. Paul warns. “We must not put the Lord to the test.” “Let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.” Yes even saved ones can fall. 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 RSV
The Apostle Paul constantly warns all saved Christians to be on guard. They even though being saved can loss the salvation if they do not endure on the Christian course to life. Any who truly appreciate salvation provided through Christ and God’s grace will never become overconfident. They will work hard to stay in the race for life and endure to the end where they then will receive the prize of everlasting life. May each and every person work out their salvation with fear and trembling. Phil. 2:12 (AV)
The “once saved always saved” is not a Bible teaching and has been proven wrong by those such as the Son of Sam and others who prior to such horrific crimes have claimed to be saved thinking they can commit such crimes and still be saved. It does not work like that nor is it just faith in Christ.
Just my opinion according to my understanding of the scriptures.
Take care,
Hope12 |
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