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When will the New Jerusalem descend from heaven and we will be living with God. Will it be after the 1000 year reign of Christ or after the tribulation (before the 1000 year reign of Christ). In other words; will the 1000 year reign of Christ be in the New Jerusalem?
Now HOW did I know you wouldn't believe in the rapture. Dude! You are messed up real bad. He will NEVER leave his bride to go thru HIS WRATH. Christains have gone thru horrible things for centuries. But the tribulation period isn't gonna compare to it.
You and I may be already dead and buried when the end occurs but Christians will be present when that time comes. Apparently, you didn't read the Bible verses that made that clear (4 or 5 posts above). Someone needs to start a thread on the false theory of the rapture. I love discussing it and have debated pro-rapturists for years. My sister is a staunch believer in the rapture and I am just as staunchly opposed to it.
The difference between those who believe it and those who don't is that those who don't generally trust the Bible more than their favorite TV evangelist; whereas, those who do believe in the rapture are fond of saying, "well my pastor said." Just because the pastor of a mega church that has 25 TV cameras broadcasting to 500 countries from a skyscraper made of stained glass says that there will be a rapture doesn't mean he has the foggiest idea what he's talking about.
The Rapture & the Second coming are 2 separate events. The Second coming is when Jesus comes as the Lion of Judah. The rapture only believers will be hearing the trumpet call. Even people who have died & have been cremated will instantly have their molecules come together.
In Rev.5:5-14- The 7 spirits( the 7 churches) are symbolically worn by the Lamb.
So, look for me in Rev7. I'll be the one in the white robe with the palm branch in my hand with the great multitude!
The Rapture & the Second coming are 2 separate events. The Second coming is when Jesus comes as the Lion of Judah. The rapture only believers will be hearing the trumpet call. Even people who have died & have been cremated will instantly have their molecules come together.
In Rev.5:5-14- The 7 spirits( the 7 churches) are symbolically worn by the Lamb.
So, look for me in Rev7. I'll be the one in the white robe with the palm branch in my hand with the great multitude!
Poppa0777 agrees that the rapture (which will take place whether people believe it or not) and the 2nd coming are two totally separate events. No one is infallible in these areas (except of course Jesus Christ) but after over 30 years of serious bible study and prayer, that is what I believe. And you better believe I don't believe it because of what ANY preacher says.
Anyway...God bless every one of you!
I'm wit ya poppa0777, i think it is a pre-trib rapture though...no way we go thru any of it. but we can agree to disagree.
Tessy777,
What do you think of this...
(2Th 2:1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2Th 2:2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. (the Rapture) (2Th 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {so how can the Rapture take place until after the Antichrist is revealed}? (2Th 2:4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2Th 2:5) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? (2Th 2:6) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (2Th 2:7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (2Th 2:8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (2Th 2:9)Even him,(Antichrist) whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (2Th 2:10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (2Th 2:11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2Th 2:12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:13) But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
I am not trying to change your beliefs, only give you something to ponder. Scripture is very clear that these things must take place (the abomination of desolation) Daniel 9:27. Poppa0777
When will the New Jerusalem descend from heaven and we will be living with God. Will it be after the 1000 year reign of Christ or after the tribulation (before the 1000 year reign of Christ). In other words; will the 1000 year reign of Christ be in the New Jerusalem?
In the book of Revelation, the tribulation period is covered in chapters 6-19. There are many discriptive events that affect Christians and non-Christians alike. The beast and the false prophet gain power and influence and deceive many. As they tactfully gain control of the world they gain control of people. A time comes when the beast system requires a mark on the forehead or on the hand if a person desires to buy or sell. Everything is controlled by the state. Some believe that the mark on the forehead is a metaphor for belief in the system (mark on the forehead) or for someone who willingly works for the beast to further its goals (mark on the wrist or hand). I think it could be both. Obvioulsy, if you are a willing worker for or believe in the system, you wouldn't mind taking a literal mark. Anyway, after the tribulation (Revelation chapter 20), Christ is the reigning King of all nations and sits in his thrown. The saints who were killed for His namesakes during the tribulation go through what is called "the first resurrection" and rule with Christ. Satan is bound for this period of a thousand years and those who survived the tribulation will re-populate the earth. At the end of the thousand years, Satan is loosed for a season to deceive the inhabitors of the earth once again. He forms the army of God and Magog who will go to war with the saints. Satan and his army will lose and will be cast into the lake of fire. We will then live in a perfect world for ever and ever after that.
The rapture theory if nonsensical and was first introduced by a girl who was a bit "touched." A jesuit priest jumped on this girl's "vision" and created the rapture doctrine based on sketchy information. Unfortunately, many (not all) neo-Christians have been swayed by this fantasy doctrine and will be sorry in the years to come.
I see what you are saying...give me some time to look the things up I need and I will respond properly.
AJ- The Apostle Paul is where we get the rapture..he didn't call it rapture but he explained it. It will happen whether you think it is a fantasy or not.
I see what you are saying...give me some time to look the things up I need and I will respond properly.
AJ- The Apostle Paul is where we get the rapture..he didn't call it rapture but he explained it. It will happen whether you think it is a fantasy or not.
In the book of Revelation, the tribulation period is covered in chapters 6-19. There are many discriptive events that affect Christians and non-Christians alike. The beast and the false prophet gain power and influence and deceive many. As they tactfully gain control of the world they gain control of people. A time comes when the beast system requires a mark on the forehead or on the hand if a person desires to buy or sell. Everything is controlled by the state. Some believe that the mark on the forehead is a metaphor for belief in the system (mark on the forehead) or for someone who willingly works for the beast to further its goals (mark on the wrist or hand). I think it could be both. Obvioulsy, if you are a willing worker for or believe in the system, you wouldn't mind taking a literal mark. Anyway, after the tribulation (Revelation chapter 20), Christ is the reigning King of all nations and sits in his thrown. The saints who were killed for His namesakes during the tribulation go through what is called "the first resurrection" and rule with Christ. Satan is bound for this period of a thousand years and those who survived the tribulation will re-populate the earth. At the end of the thousand years, Satan is loosed for a season to deceive the inhabitors of the earth once again. He forms the army of God and Magog who will go to war with the saints. Satan and his army will lose and will be cast into the lake of fire. We will then live in a perfect world for ever and ever after that.
The rapture theory if nonsensical and was first introduced by a girl who was a bit "touched." A jesuit priest jumped on this girl's "vision" and created the rapture doctrine based on sketchy information. Unfortunately, many (not all) neo-Christians have been swayed by this fantasy doctrine and will be sorry in the years to come.
It wasn't a girl who came up with the rapture view. It was a prophetess from a Catholic Apostolic Church in 1830 Scotland.
I'm not commenting on what you wrote about the millennium(except that you failed to describe where "we" will be during that time)
As far as a rapture, well, the gathering up to meet the Lord in the air is not the same as Jesus' coming the 2nd time. The horrendous events take place mostly in the last 3& 1/2 yrs. when the Antichrist sets himself up in the temple & claims to be God. You really need to read Daniel & other Old Testament prophecies in addition to the N.T. to get a grasp on the book of Revelation.
And the Holy Spirit working in the Church is what must be taken out of the way before
the anti-christ is revealed. The falling away from the faith has already happened & is happening in the end-times.
Christians are split on whether we will be caught up in the air (this is for those living at the time) before the 7yr Trib. or before the last 31/2yrs.
When you study Rev. you will see that there are only late converts, the protected 144,000,
& the protected 2 witnesses from Rev. 6 on to 19.
We already came out of the Great Tribulation by Ch.7. Whether we experienced whatever was before in Ch.6, maybe, bc you have to be in something to come out of it. But don't confuse the 7 trumpet with the last trumpet. The trumpets are judgments.
I really think you should at least look into sources that describe the book of Revelation.
You will see that it will be like no other time in history of the earth. There will not be anything controlled my friend, people will be running for their lives. The size of the boulders of hail alone with fire on people, from just one of the angels.
I have to go. You can read up on Revelation yourself.(not kidding)
Peace.
The Rapture & the Second coming are 2 separate events. The Second coming is when Jesus comes as the Lion of Judah. The rapture only believers will be hearing the trumpet call. Even people who have died & have been cremated will instantly have their molecules come together.
In Rev.5:5-14- The 7 spirits( the 7 churches) are symbolically worn by the Lamb.
So, look for me in Rev7. I'll be the one in the white robe with the palm branch in my hand with the great multitude!
I agree that the "rapture" is something different than the Second Coming. The Second Coming is biblical and, therefore, the only of the two I am interested in. If you read a little more deeply, you will see that Christ is present when we "change in a twinkle of an eye" and receive our glorified bodies.
I Thessalonians 4:16, "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and WITH THE TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first."
The dead are raised at the same time that Christ returns. This will occur at the Seventh and Last trump spoken of in Revelation.
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