The Federative Principle was the mechanism introduced by the Founders that made possible a republic spread over a vast continent. In addition, by dividing governmental power into co-equal, independent responsibilities, each branch of government might serve as a check on the other and thus prevent either one from undermining the safety of the public liberty.
"Our country is too large to have all its affairs directed by a single government. Public servants at such a distance, and from under the eye of their constituents, must, from the circumstance of distance, be unable to administer and overlook all the details necessary for the good government of the citizens; and the same circumstance, by rendering detection impossible to their constituents, will invite public agents to corruption, plunder and waste." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800. ME 10:167
"I believe the States can best govern our home concerns, and the General Government our foreign ones." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:450
Thomas Jefferson saw this over 200 years ago, control of the masses by a single governement is a dictatorship, not a republic!
Call your congressman and representative tell them NO NATIONAL ID>
REAL ID goes way beyond that. It's a huge power-grab by the federal government over the states' systems for issuing driver's licenses.
One of my fears is that this new uniform driver's license will bring a new level of "show me your papers" echoes of Hitler, checks by the government. Already you can't fly without an ID, even though no one has ever explained how that ID check makes airplane terrorism any harder.
I'm not saying I support the REAL ID, but I am seeing paranoia here. Ever been stopped for a moving violation? "Show me your papers" ALREADY exists. We are CONSTANTLY having to prove our identity. Yesterday I purchased something with a credit card that had a smudged signature so the clerk asked for additional ID. Having a secure, consistent way to prove identity MIGHT be a blessing.
The thing that bothers me most is the point about how much this will cost states to comply. I'm not sure that the current systems in place aren't sufficient and I am sure that anything that will cost taxpayers more money needs to be rethought.
One already has to answer to the state inwhich you live, why does the Federal Government want control over Driver License? They dont need control of the Driver License that is purely a State function.
One already has to answer to the state inwhich you live, why does the Federal Government want control over Driver License? They dont need control of the Driver License that is purely a State function.
Well I can give one for instance where it would be advantageous to the citizens to have some uniform standards for driver licenses. This goes back several years to when NYS licenses were not Photo ID and had 2 parts; the license and a record of convictions. What happened was I lost my license and didn't even realize it until some nice person mailed the license only part back to me. I went to DMV explained what happened and they told me to apply for a replacement which I did. Several months later I received a "Failure to appear" summons from NJ. I called and explained what happened but NJ refused to accept anything other than my appearance. So I went down to Trenton and the officer who issued the ticket was unable to identify me as the driver.
My point is that a NJ State Trooper should have seen that 1) the document offered was not a full NYS license and 2) that it was not authorized to drive a semi (which was the vehicle ticketed). With national standards like photo ID, license qualifications etc. The guy who stole the part of my license to use would not have goteen away with it.
We dont need the Feds to control us by use o a National ID, It is bad enough that my right to travel on public roads is controlled by state government. Any picture ID issue by any state would be sufficent.
I personally believe in the Common Law rights that are part of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, Federal Governement is out of control, since when must I answer to the Feds about my common law rights.
Quote Am Jur:
The "RIGHT" of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is NOT a mere PRIVILEGE which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a "COMMON RIGHT" which he has under his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with, not disturbing another's "RIGHTS," he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct. See: 11 American Jurisprudence 1st., Constitutional Law, 329, page 1123
In reply to starman's post: As not to take it literally or strech it to extremes, I'd say the world is going to be taken over by a sea monster! Thats why there are so many programs on the subject lately. The dark powers that be are getting us ready for the great horror to come! When a giant squid tenticle smashes through your window and carries your children out to sea, then you will know it is true!
My problem here is with the automatic assumption that such an ID constitutes control. Our government has a system of checks and balances that has pretty much worked well.
While I don't dispute that, in some systems, use of such a national ID would constitute a greater attempt of control of the citizenry, I don't think that's the case here. I think, if done right, it could provide greater security and more protection for the individual.
In reply to starman's post: As not to take it literally or strech it to extremes, I'd say the world is going to be taken over by a sea monster! Thats why there are so many programs on the subject lately. The dark powers that be are getting us ready for the great horror to come! When a giant squid tenticle smashes through your window and carries your children out to sea, then you will know it is true!
Very funny! LOL
Fallacy: Appeal to Ridicule
Description and examples of Appeal to Ridicule fallacy. ... of "reasoning" is fallacious because mocking ... fallacious argument) can make it reasonable to reject the claim. One form of this line of reasoning is known as a "reductio ad absurdum ... Fallacy: Appeal to Ridicule
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Milton Terry (1898)
"From these quotation it is apparent that there is scarcely an expression employed in Matthew and Luke which has not been taken from the Old Testament Scriptures.
"Such apocalyptic forms of speech are not to be assumed to convey in the New Testament a meaning different from that which they bear in the Hebrew Scriptures. They are part and parcel of the genius of prophetic language. The language of Isaiah 13:10, is used in a prophecy of the overthrow of Babylon. That of Isaiah 34:4, refers to the desolation of Edom. The ideal of "the Son of man coming in the clouds" is taken from a prophecy of the Messianic kingdom, which kingdom, as depicted in Daniel 7:13,14, is no other than the one symbolized in the same book by a stone cut out of the mountain (Dan. 2:34,35). It is the same kingdom of heaven which Jesus liken to a grain of mustard seed and to the working of leaven in the meal (Matt. 13:31-33). The other citations we have given above show with equal clearness how both Jesus and his disciples were wont to express themselves in language which must have been very familiar to those who from childhood heard the law and the prophets "read in the synagogues every Sabbath" (Acts 13:27; 15:21). A strictly literal interpretation of such pictorial modes of thought leads only to absurdity. Their import must be studied in the light of the numerous parallels in the Old Testament writers,....
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The lady who always threatened us with eternal torture if we didn't attend church understood the complete book of Revelation literally in the way you describe. She would tell us that the beasts spoken of in that book of Revelation were real animals which God would assigned to torment the infidels prior to their being sent to be burned alive forever.
Starman, your point is well taken and I posted that to show that it is. I don't fear what I know to be the great tribulation our planet is heading for. GOD has always seen to it that the sparrows and me had plenty. So it will also be when the socio-economical system and all the religons created by man fail and the great moment of truth arrives. As I said, I have always been blessed and well taken care of and I guess the reason for that is that I know Jesus Christ is the son of GOD and my personal savior. Everything else is just here to amuse me! I will not accept the national ID card or the mark of the beast or whatever you want to call it. If it is as Christians say, that it will be my demise...so be it. I am ready for some new sceanery anyway.
Don't gloss over the fact that your Social Insurance number amounts to a National ID. That number is tied into almost everything ...
Besides which - It will always be possible to "drop off the system" if you are willing to live your life a certain way to avoid leaving significant traces.
Wouldn't most skip tracer's tell you that there are always some people that manage to just drop off the planet?
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