As I have not read the Bible nor done a comparative study,I wonder what the Bible says about Muhammad.

I believe that the original Armeniac(hope that is the right spelling) Bible will have some mention of our Prophet (pbuh)
I was wondering about the Bibles available today.

I have read different articles regarding this and I found that it seems that there is a verse in Isaiah about a book being revealed to an unlettered person and is asked to read when it is replied that he is not learned.

This seems to match with the description of Muhammad(pbuh) because he was unlettered and he was asked to recite,but replies that he is unlettered.

Could someone give reference for this, or am I wrong.

Thank you.

Tj3

I did not ask you that, but since you raised the topic, it seemed like a good time to examine the evidence for the truth of the Koran. You may believe and you may be convinced, but without evidence, no one else is going to believe it to be true. Indeed, i just asked you some questions and you then made claims challenging my belief.


I am always prepared to allow my faith to be challenged because I want to follow the truth wherever it may lead. I think that if all people took this approach that it would go a long way to ending battles between religions, because we would no longer hold to a religion, right or wrong, but we would follow truth.



Why do you believe then if you do not have proof that it is true or are not 100% sure of?

I find that if I allow my faith to be challenged, one of two things happens. Either I find that I am right, and now I can better defend my faith - or I am wrong in which case i have come closer to the full truth. Either way I win. Consider.

ordinaryguy

Well, that certainly does simplify things for you, I can see that.

firmbeliever

Being 100% sure of my beliefs is very different from being able to explain and show proof 100% to another.
I am 100% sure of my own beliefs,but I am not 100% sure of being able to show proof and convince a sceptic that what I believe is the truth.

I do not have to defend my belief to anyone, I am answerable only to the Almighty.

So if I already believe I follow the truth whatever others might say to the contrary,I do not have to change my views just to please others or to convince others of my belief.

When I know I follow the truth,why would I need to accept or change my views just because someone else thinks it is not the truth.

If you are unsure of your faith, then I think it is your choice to look for answers elsewhere in other religions.I am sure of my faith and I do not need to look elsewhere.

You can challenge Islam all your like,but I am not the person to take up challenges when I know I have limited knowledge to counteract your arguements.

Tj3

firmbeliever, what I was showing you came from the Koran. If you believe that the Koran is 100% right, then surely you must agree that what I quoted must also be right when it tells you that the Christian gospel was given for your salvation and guidance. What I do not understand is that you are getting defensive about your beliefs, however all I did was go to your scripture and point out what it said.

It was you who started challenging my beliefs. Surely if you choose to challenge the beliefs of another, you must expect that you will be asked to validate your claims.

firmbeliever

The article I presented was not as a challenge to anyone, it just explained the Islamic view(I apologise if it seemed like a challenge).
And the question I originally asked has been answered.

Sorry, but I am not going to get into this discussion as I already told you.

Such a discussion will get you and I nowhere,because I believe I am on the truth and you believe otherwise.

I am not going to take the risk of getting into a discussion where I might unknowingly say some of the truths/words of the Almighty in the Bible/s is not the truth,because I am not sure which are from the original revelation revealed to Jesus(alaihi salaam) and which were added later.

I hope you do find someone knowledgeable enough on both the Gospels and the Quran to present you with the discussion you wish to have.

Tj3

I do not know how you could have said it was not a challenge. It was attacking the essentials of the Christian faith. All I did was quote the Koran.


I fully accept your right to believe as you wish, and truts that you accept my right to believe as I wish. The question that I have is why we cannot discuss our respect beliefs?


Then why don't we look at the evidence that there is from the ancient texts which demonstrate the accuracy of the whole Bible? That way you do not have to worry.

carbonite

Well just a quick question.

Where in the Bible does Jesus claim to be God?

This is the largest difference between the Islam and Christianity.

firmbeliever

I am not worried, because I am already on the right path!

Tj3

How do you know? You have no proof - it is blind faith.

Tj3

The differences between Christianity and Islam are huge. This is only one of the major differences.

Also, Why limit it to where Jesus Himself says that He is God. Why not expand it to the whole Bible, because examples of scriptures testifying to that reality are found throughout the Bible (OT and NT). But to answer your specific question, we have a few examples where Jesus acknowledges or states that He is God. Here are a couple:

Rev 1:8
8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
NKJV

Rev 22:13-17
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. 16 I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."
NKJV

The Alpha and Omega are identified elsewhere in scripture, such as Rev 1:8 quoted above. Note also that the reference above to the "First and the Last" is a reference to God. See this passage from the OT which indicates that to be the case:

Isa 44:6
6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
'I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
NKJV

Note also in Is 44:6, that God calls Himself the Redeemer, another term for Jesus.

John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." 59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
NKJV

In this passage, Jesus not only claims the attribute of God of being outside of time, but also calls Himself "I AM", which is a title of God. The Jews recognized what he was saying and considered it blasphemy to call Himself God and took up stones as a result.

John 20:28-29
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
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Note that Jesus acknowledges that what Thomas is saying about Jesus being God is true. We could also look at a multitude of other verses which clearly identify Jesus as God, for example:

John 1
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NKJV

and

Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
NKJV

And there are many more references that I could give, but for the sake of brevity, I will stop here.