I just got saved

Or, your version of salvation is a complete misunderstanding of Scripture.

The Gospel is a very simple statement. Why complicate it?

Wondergirl:

There's a very basic concept that you seem to be NOT getting. Knowing and understanding salvation IS NOT THE SAME THING AS ACTUALLY HAVING IT.

And here's the difference between you and me. I believe that I have the understanding of it. And yet am not certain of my own status. You on the other hand do not understand it, as far as I can see. Yet you claim to be saved, postively.

In other words, you're hopelessly confused about the whole situation and have a burning desire to share that confusion with as many others as possible.

Salvation is simple to understand. And of course even you acknowledge that we can know that we have it. Your dichotomy between "knowing and understanding" and having is false. I don't know where you got it, but throw it back.

Dwashbur:

The gospel is not only the message of salvation. The gospel is the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that the whole Bible is very simple to understand ?

No, the Gospel IS the message of salvation.
The Gospel is IN the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
Did we say that?

Oh! I've read everything you have said and one of us is misunderstanding scripture.


Headstrong, I gave you clear scripture of what God says concerning salvation and this is the best reply you could come up with!? Come on! Really? That's all yeah got for me? BACK your thoughts up with solid scripture and put them into context.

God is indeed sovereign, He is holy and He is LOVE. THAT is what Gensis to revelation is about ..his LOVE. It isn't about predestination. The apostle Paul never preached that to the unbelieving world. When he spoke of predestination it was directly to the church and must be put into context.

Whosoever will may come...WHO SO EVER. Is that a lie? God is not a man that he should lie. Where is your liberty Headstong? How do you have a relationship with someone you aren't even certain hears you. I mean if you have no assurance you are a part of the predestinated crowd.....what is the point?

If you had some small understanding of the love of God to us, I think you would understand why I do care what you think. I care where people spend eternity. I'm a classy, caring compassionate gal...so sue me.

Quoting classyT:
"Oh! I've read everything you have said and one of us is misunderstanding scripture."

I very much agree that God doe not lie. AS WE NORMALLY UNDERSTAND LYING. After all He is not a man.
BUT...much information HAD BEEN SEALED UP (hidden in plain sight) but not possible to understand CORRECTLY.
UNTIL NOW. For example Daniel 12:4. And much much more. That we might discuss....later, MAYBE.

Quoting classyT:
"Headstrong, I gave you clear scripture of what God says concerning salvation..."

I could also, and I have posted clear scripture concerning what God says about salvation, but someone or other always comes up with a "reason" to ignore or to deny what I've posted. One of your favorites is to claim "context." I agree that context is essential. But often the context is much greater than you will acknowledge. That is why I harp on THE WHOLE BIBLE. For example 1 Thessalonians 1:3 and 2 Thessalonians 1:11 are to me clear as crystal that FAITH IS WORK, by God's DEFINITION. GUARANTEED !

That means our believing (the verb form of faith) is work that we do. Hence our believing ABSOLUTELY CANNOT GET US SAVED. Again...clear as crystal...to me. Of course you are going to deny, or claim "out of context," whatever, etc. So please, is that the best YOU can do ?

Yes, once we have accepted the Gospel (with the Spirit's help), it takes lots and lots of work (again, cooperation between the believer and the Spirit) to remain in faith.
No, of course not. It's WHAT we believe (with the Spirit's help) that saves us. Doing the "work" of believing saves no one.

Quoting Wondergirl:
"It's WHAT we believe (with the Spirit's help) that saves us."

No. WHAT we believe is still work. And as such cannot even contribute to getting us saved.

One thing and one thing only gets anybody saved. That is Christ having selected them, and then having made payment for their sins. That is all. The believing that occurs in the life of such a person, after they are saved, is a RESULT of God having given that person a brand new soul.