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Old Feb 16, 2003, 03:09 PM
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John 3:13

hello, can anyone help me??

here, in John 3:13, it says that no one has gone to heaven except for Jesus.

i am confused because i know that in the old testament Enoch one day disappeared because God had taken him, and then Elijah as well, who was taken in a charriot of fire.

so what does Jesus mean in John 3:13???

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Old Feb 25, 2003, 09:20 PM   #2  
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Re: John 3:13

Greetings Vox;

Go up, as taken in John 3:13, is also in 1:18 and 6:62, meaning to ascend. Christ Jesus was the only one to Ascend into heaven, on His own power, and not be assumed into heaven like Enoch and the others.

Put in this context, since Christ Jesus was before all, and was, is and always shall be, as God He and only He alone can ascend into heaven as prophesied.

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Re: John 3:13

This scripture in the N.T. is speaking of the eternal heaven. The O.T. scripture is speaken of the second heaven. There was no eternal promise of heaven or hell in the O.T.
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Re: John 3:13

Gee, Dave, Where did you come up with that? ;D ;D ;D
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Re: John 3:13

The New Covenant as instituted by Jesus via his death made the heavenly reward possible. Before the New Covenant was instituted, there was no provision for this reward. If we carefully pay attention to what Jesus says to his followers during the Last Supper, we will see that Jesus links the provision of the heavenly reward with his own death. He dies so that where he is so too his followers might go.

So when the Bible tells us that no one had ascended into heaven before Jesus, it means that no human that had ever died prior to Jesus had ever been gone to heaven before Jesus.

Enoch's transference was a visionary one.
Elijah's chariot flight was within the confines of our atmosphere which is aso referred to as heaven.





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