Jesus Vs Tradition

itsmemaths · Jun 18, 2009, 04:49 AM

How did Jesus fight the tradition and made the religion more relational?

Tj3 · Jun 23, 2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

That's correct, there is but one Church, the church you know as Roman Catholic Church, i.e. the Church of Jesus Christ. Christ didn't make subdivisions (denominations) of His Church.

Christ did not make subdivisions of His Church - right but what you seem to miss is that Christ's church is NOT a denomination, not Roman catholic, not Lutheran, not Baptist, though it is possible for members of Christ's body to be in any of the above.

Claiming that your denomination alone is right is a direct contradiction of God's word.

flayvur · Jun 23, 2009, 08:06 PM

joe and arcura, the same thing adam7gur has said that's what i was basically saying, but maybe didnt explain it clear enough. What good does tradition do when your not loving your fellow man or woman. The story of the clergyman who saw his neighbor laying on the ground and kept walking by because I guess he was going to the synagouge never stopped to help. then a man passing by stopped, took him to a place like a hotel paid for him to stay there and went back to check on him showed more god in him than the clergy man walking by. It's good to know the tradition's and keep them but without treating people right I dont think it means a hill of bean's. LOVE AND PEACE TO ALL ON THIS SITE.l

arcura · Jun 23, 2009, 09:11 PM

Joe and Adam,
I agree with you both.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

JoeT777 · Jun 23, 2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by adam7gur

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

Yeah it’s called sin. Just because there is unpleasant gritty sand on the beach doesn’t mean you deny the existence of a place where the land meets the ocean.

I did not say that tradition is out of the question. All I said is that tradition that is not in agreement with the Word should not be taken as God's will! Jesus said that he who is not against us is with us.
It takes two witnesses to testify the word so that the word becomes certain. Tradition should be backed up somehow by the Word, I think it is clear that every word that is against the Word somehow, is not God's!
Again I am not saying that we should forget everything else and just focus and study the Bible, but I am saying examine every word, every tradition if it is God's or not!

Adam:

You’ve brought forward some good points.

The ‘Word’, Holy Scripture, has a special relation with Tradition. Scripture and Tradition are bound together forming a synergistic accord of one fountainhead of Divine Truth. A truth that rejoices in God’s grace and teaches the heart wisdom (Cf. Matt 28:20 & cf. Col 3:16). Sacred Scripture is God’s revelation to man inspired through the lives of the authors. Tradition authoritatively telegraphs the good news with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, preserving, expounding and teaching. They cannot be separated. Scripture without Tradition is merely another book whose author is but another human with a human’s propensity for failure. Tradition without Scripture is Truth without discipline, a subjective truth, an ever changing truth relative to the perspective of the listener; an oxymoron considering truth is immutable. To focus only on scripture is to ignore life, to focus on the love for other is blessed, but to LIVE God’s truth as taught by the Magisterium of the Church is holy, becoming an adopted son of God.

JoeT

Tj3 · Jun 23, 2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

Adam:

You’ve brought forward some good points.

The ‘Word’, Holy Scripture, has a special relation with Tradition. Scripture and Tradition are bound together forming a synergistic accord of one fountainhead of Divine Truth. A truth that rejoices in God’s grace and teaches the heart wisdom (Cf. Matt 28:20 & cf. Col 3:16). Sacred Scripture is God’s revelation to man inspired through the lives of the authors.

All God inspired tradition has been written down.

arcura · Jun 23, 2009, 11:04 PM

Tj3,
Yes you are right it has been written down in several different places.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

adam7gur · Jun 24, 2009, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tj3

All God inspired tradition has been written down.

There are things that God showed me, even told me and many of those things I have written down.What I wrote is not Scripture but me passing these things to others ,that would make those things a tradition!
I am sure that this is the kind of tradition that is mentioned in Scripture to keep and follow along with Scripture!

Tj3 · Jun 24, 2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by adam7gur

There are things that God showed me, even told me and many of those things I have written down.What I wrote is not Scripture but me passing these things to others ,that would make those things a tradition!
I am sure that this is the kind of tradition that is mentioned in Scripture to keep and follow along with Scripture!

As it was with Paul and the Bereans, any revelations are to be tested by seeing if they are in concert with scripture - scripture is the standard.

What you write down is not scripture, and anything that you do not write down is not equal to or an addition to scripture either.

sndbay · Jun 24, 2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

Christ didn't make subdivisions (denominations) of His Church.
JoeT

We have to recognize that Christ warned us of doctrine of man.. I think you will agree.

And also we have to recognize the power of God that sustains us.. I think you will agree.

Both are present.. and exist.. Agree?

Christ the Lord said.. Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth and what will I, if it be already kindled?

The Holy Spirit warms a believers heart and Truth is a consuming fire. (Hebrew 12:29 - Deu 4:24 - Deu 9:3 - John 15:26)

Luke 12:51-52 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. KJV

Those of satan are not HIS, and not all know the truth.

Some are fools and slow to understand that Christ suffered all to HIS glory. (Luke 24:25-26) All that the prophets spoke, tells us what we too will suffer, and how Christ suffered to baptism as it was the first to be accomplished. (Act 3:18)

Why? Because it is written in Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

How are we to unity with the Father, with the Word, and with the Holy Spirit? In Baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire.. )Matthew 3:11-Luke 3:16)

How are be unitied and not divided... One LORD One FAITH One BAPTISM; One GOD and FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only unity in following Christ, who is the vine. (John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.)

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Who accomplished baptism to be suffered? CHRIST

Who has unity in baptism with the WORD, the Father of TRUTH, and the SPIRIT?

1 JOHN 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6-7-8 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son

~follow the begotten Son of God

arcura · Jun 24, 2009, 09:07 PM

adam7gur,
God did not stop inspiring people after holy scripture was written.
And many have written what which was passed down to them from the apostles and from God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred



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