How did Jesus fight the tradition and made the religion more relational?

sndbay

1 Cr 10:1-2-3-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The importance of the scripture offered in reference, is for several reasons. #1 we have to recognized who were all were baptized. #2 we can recognized what was called spiritual meat, and #3 we can recognized spiritual drink. Then #4 we can recognize that spiritual Rock is Christ.
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Question your thoughts: How can we answer the call to salvation without trust in the Three in "ONE"...
Eph 4:4-5-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Don't think for a minute you can raise as Christ raised without being Baptism in Christ, buried and dead to this world, and able to be adopted as a child of God. Division of the three would be against what is writtten.
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Question your thoughts: How can we drink of the spiritual blood that is Christ?
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

1 Cr 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

The spiritual drink that we are to remember is the blood of Christ, drinking of the new testament.
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Question your thoughts: How can we eat of the spiritual bread of life, not like the manna that feeds the hungry flesh?

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

THE WORD MADE FLESH!

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:57-58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Recognize the spiritual Rock, and spiritual meat that followed Moses. Scripture tells us the same Christ, the Word that was made flesh and dwelled with us followed Moses. They too ate and drank of the spiritual Rock, and too they were baptized. Do not separate or divide One Lord, One Baptism, One Faith in "ONE GOD"

~in Christ

Tj3

No, The Church was created by Christ. The Roman Catholic Denomination did not exist until centuries later.

Please do not misrepresent what I said.

Tj3

The Bible only has 66 books. There are several places where we are told not to corrupt the word of God (Prov 30:5-6, Rev 22:18 being two), and 1 Cor 4:6 tells us not to go beyond what is written.

Stick with me, you'll learn a lot!

Anyone reading it clearly in English or in the original Greek will see that the Rock (which throughout scripture refers to God) is the declaration that Peter made:

Matt 16:15-18
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
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Peter is called a stone and this declaration is the Rock, because it is about Christ and Christ in the Rock. Paul confirms it when he sayud that the church cannot have a foundation other than Christ:

1 Cor 3:10-12
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
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So any church with a man as it's foundation is not the Church that Christ built. Lastly, Christ built a body of believers as the church, not a manmade denomination.

Tj3

John 6 does not irk me - why should it?

What does irk me is people taking a verse out of context to make it say the opposite of what it actually says.

Like this one:

In context it reads:

Matt 26:26-30
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." 27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom." 30 And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
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Well, here since the sacrifice on the cross had not yet occurred, and since Jesus was sitting there in His whole body, it was clear that this was not the blood shed on the cross, and then in the next verse, Jesus says that it is the fruit of the vine, which is wine.

Why some folk insist on taking verses out of context, I don't know.

Tj3

The question is, what is the "One Baptism" which is essential? The baptism of the Holy Spirit which is given to all who believe, whether they are baptized in water or not? or water?

sndbay

I agree, and we can see many traditions today that have been brought forth by man, that are indeed against what is written. Each holiday for example has paganism orgin.
The celebration of the feast of Passover.. Christ is our Passover, the paschal lamb..

Man's tradition has brought this celebration to us as their oral tradition of Easter.. (orgin as a paganism feast)

(1 Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.)

Unleaved bread would be Christ, the bread of life without sin and corruption.


Jesus warned of the leaven in man's doctrine. That which can raise up being in corruption.

Matthew 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

The first church that began the division in what was the Word of God. Do the traditions of man cause division in religions, and faith today?

How many churches today baptize as written in the Word that is the flesh of Christ?The inspired Word of the Holy Spirit. The Word that is the Spiritual Truth of God?

sndbay

Christ commanded that his disciples baptize.. Christ fulfilled what was required in following HIM. Baptism to follow, and be raised as He was raised...

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It was water that Christ was baptized in.. It was the red sea that Mose and his people passed through... (Hebrew 10:22) speaks of pure water....

Tj3

Yep, we are to be baptized in water. There are many other things that we are commanded to do - are you saying that everything we are commanded to do is essential for salvation? If so then I trust that you know that would mean that we would all be destined for hell since no one has obeyed the law perfectly.

The fact is that we are told that it is essential to believe in Jesus to be saved. Nowhere are we told that water baptism is essential to be saved, and in fact we have a case in Acts 10 where we see people saved before water baptism.

sndbay

Tom, there are a few details that are obvious to what was said concerning the rock that Christ mentioned. If you look up Peter's name you can see that it means a rock or a stone. The meaning of a name is given at birth by hertiage from the family. Peter would be expected to live according to that name. Certainly more respected then Jazeb which means sorrow, and was named that because of his mother's sorrow. However a stone or rock is solid and metaph. of a soul hard and unyeilding...

The truth is, that Christ is the Rock of salvation, and the spiritual Rock we stand upon stedfast. Christ is the Rock of glory..


This is the obvious proof
It is written and spoken by Christ concerning Peter. (John 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.)

Then anyone can read (1 Corinthians 3:21-22-23) to hear scripture say that no man is to glory in man.. it then names such men not to glory in ..

1 Cr 3:21-23 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.


The pride of satan's work is known by God

This was written because For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
3:19-20 KJV

`in Christ

Tj3

Actually it means a piece of a rock or a stone - and a piece chipped off a rock is a stone.

Absolutely right.