when did jesus learn he was christ?

dwalex

While the Bible is not specific on this, it is generaly held that he knew all along. As the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all one, Jesus was actually God in a human form and as God is all knowing and all powerful, it would seem to reason that he knew at the point he assumed human form that he was the Christ.

Vox

in my opinion, Jesus knew He was the Christ in the time after he was lost in the temple and then found 3 days later. before that, there is no reason why He would have known it.

He was a normal human child, and normal human children are not aware of the world that surrounds us; they just live in their fantasy world playing all day and getting dirty and scraping their knees (i wish i could go back to those days!! dont you?) there is no reason to think that Jesus did not do all these things, so the time of his beggining could not come but after He became more mature (after his life as a child was over).

cherepes

It is the instruction of Christianity through John 1:1, that in the beginning He was the Word, and therefore when the Word became flesh as prophecy, He would have already known since God knows all past, present and future.

Peace,
RC-CIC
Cherepes

tototu

George- I don't think that he had that awareness all along. Beyond the Word becoming flesh, we are also told that He put off His Godhood. Jesus never did act as Sovereign, but as an obedient servant to the Father. He also stated that He didn't know everything (His next advent) but that that knowledge was reserved to the Father. I don't think that we can answer when He knew that He was the Christ, but it must have surely been taught or told Him at a young age. That He understood it's implications may not have been apparent to Him as a young child. I myself think ( don't know) that upon His baptism by John, the Holy Spirit infused the knowledge of His ministry and all it entailed while He went to the desert and fasted for 40 days. Satan tempted Him afterword, not because he was percieved as physically weak, but spiritually weakened through fear. It was there that Satan was confronted with the very God who had exiled him. He met the Perfect Love that casts out all fear. For later we are told Jesus states that He Himself delivered Himself to be crucified. ;D ;D ;D

uae_girl

Dwalex- I was reading your entry and something u wrote struck me.
How could Jesus be God? He's human, a prophet of God, just like all the other prophets. He is flesh and blood, just like any one of us.
No-one said anthing about Jesus being God. There is only 1 God, and he has many prophets, Jesus, one of them.
I dont mean to offend you, but im just curious. Could u explain what u wrote? :-/ (if u dont mind?)

tototu

My goodness, UAE GIRL, you seem to have missed the point of the New Testament altogether. In no place in the scriptures did it say that Jesus was a prophet of God. He was killed for the very fact of blaspheming by saying He was God. The Sanhedren and the Pharisees didn't miss that for a second. In Isaiah , chapter 9 starting with verse 6 it foretells the advent of the Christ, being born as a child, but then goes on to give the names of the child. In prophesy these names are the nature of the being- his attributes. You will see that he is called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father , Prince of Peace... and this passage tells us that the government of our lives will fall on His shoulders- He will take the burden of the success of our lives upon Himself. Think of that! God has made it His problem to see that we make it to heaven to be with Him in all blessed eternity!

When you get to the Testament of John, it begins with explaining the preexistence of Jesus as the Word of God. It says that He was face to face with God and that He was God. We are also told that He was the Creator of all things visible and invisible. In John 1:14 it states that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. In talking to Nicodemus a couple of chapters later, Jesus tells him that noone has ascended to heaven but He who came down fro heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
A little later in John, Jesus is talking to his disciples about the Bread of lIfe and explains to them that His Father gives them the true bread from heaven and the explains "For the breaad of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world" (the messiah). At that point the Jews spoke against Him because He said "I am the bread which came down from heaven."
A little later on the Pharisees ask where is Jesus' Father and he tells them "You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also." When the Jews had quizzed Him a little later on as to some statements He was making , he definitively told them "Most assuredly, i say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." and in making this tatement, He used the I AM appelation for God. At this point the Jews tried to stone Him to death.
The scriptures tell us that He was the Express Image of the Invisible God. Jesus spent His whole ministry among us explaining who He was, trying to marry OT scripture to the reality that was before us.
Lest you still be confused, let me close with His response to Philip when he asked Him to show the disciiples the father- Jesus said "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say 'Show us the Father'? "
The point is, forget your new age or Buddhist teachers who sell you the notion Jesus was a prophet. Treat yourself to an exciting and inspiring message from God Himself written directly to you and let Him teach you the Truth. NO charge, No loss, Only gain---I promise ;D ;D ;D

uae_girl

I donot think I have missed the point of the Testiment. But i dont beleive and will never beleive Jesus is God. He is a human just like us, and with God's Help, he could perform miracles. If he was God why did he die?
He is just one of the hundreds of prophets out there. Just because he brought us Christianity doesnt mean he is God, or any better than the other prophets.
People may have their own beliefs and i respect that. But i dont think its right to say that one of the prophets, Jesus Christ, was God.

tototu

What about what JESUS had to say about it? That was the point of my message to you. The scriptures tell us that is a prophet proves untrue in any regard, then he is not a prophet of God. So either Jesus was a Liar, a Lunatic, or He was what He said He was.
Beyond that, what you think or what you want to think obout Him is of no consequence. God gets to be God without your permission.
In answer to why did He die, He plainly says that He gave Himself up as a Perfect sacrifice for our sin so that we could have eternal life. He said no man could take His life unless He gives it. You may also want to read the REST OF THE STORY. He came out of the Grave of His own power appeared to over 500 witnesses and ascended into heaven in the presence of His eleve disciples. He is not dead. HE is alive and reigns over all His creation. His reign is a reign of ministry- in other workds, he wants to meet your deepest need and delight your heart. His reign is not one of putting His foot on our necks.
Iwill answer you, but I won't argue with you. God says if you ask Him with a sincere heart, He will reveal these things to you. It isn't up to me or any one else who calls themselves a Christian. We are just messengers. The hearing of the truth is a gift He gives to those who truly want it.
By the way, what do you think the point of the scriptures- new and old testaments is? You have aroused my curiosity in this. I enjoy posting with you.
Tototu ;D ;D ;D

dwalex

I was asked to clarify by ua-girl. It is my belief and the belief of many christian faiths that the God we believe in is available to us in three forms, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. This is the Holy Trinity. Throughout the New Testiment, Jesus makes many referrences to the fact that He and His Father are the same, I cannot give you exact passages as I do not have a Bible with me but if you read the new testiment they are numerous. Jesus says things like "if you want the Father he is with you now" and "look no further because I am He". As far as the Holy Ghost, it was not available to everyone untill after Jesus's resurection. In Peter's sermon at Pentecost, the Holy Ghost became available to all believers and all who were present were able to understan even if they did not speak the same language. Jesus told his disciples that this would happen telling them that after He was gone a force would be available to them that would allow them to "do greater things than I have done". After the Holy Ghost became available to Peter, he walked through vilages and simply touching his robe healed the ailments of believers. That Holy Ghost is available to all believers today as well if we accept Jesus as our Savior just as The Father and the Son are still available to all who allow them in their heart. So, you are right that we should worship the one God as the 10 commandments instruct but after Jesus's ultimate sacrifice, dying while we were all sinners, that Amazing God is availble to us in three forms.

I am not a minister or even a Christian scholar. I have done my best to answer from my understanding of Holy Scripture. For more info, visit an area church and talk to the minister.

hope that helped,
dwalex