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Old Nov 5, 2007, 07:07 AM
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important! need some opinions!

Hey Guys!
I was wondering about how yall thought about prayers in school. this topic is very important to me, and i would love some other's opinions on it! please, everyone, reply with your thoughts!
thanks so much!

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Old Nov 22, 2007, 04:53 AM   #51  
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If the school is a christian school then prayer is ok, but it's very important not to force prayer onto an individual aswell x
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 06:06 AM   #52  
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Then you shouldn't mind the Ten Commandments being taught in Public School.

NO, the ten commandments should NOT be taught in schools. Why? Because one of the commandments is:

Do not worship any other gods

Another is:

Do not make any idols

Another is:

Do not misuse the name of god

Another is:

Keep the Sabbath holy

Those "rules" apply to christians, and christians only. They are not essential to having a civilized, functioning society like oh, I don't know, telling kids murder is wrong and listening to your parents is good.
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 06:15 AM   #53  
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Children in school should be free to express thier own faiths. If that includes them praying in private or in thier own groups that should be allowed ( and really is) kids in school can have thier own private prayer groups and the such.

The schools unconsitutional behavior at restricting symbols such as the star of david or the cross and others should not be allowed and people of any or no faith should be outraged by such behavior of our schools.

Also we have to be close to remember that God and Christianity is a large part of the history and heritage of the US, and that not teaching thier roles can often be a loss of the true meaning of many things from the US constitution, to the building of America which was often based on some religious group
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 06:20 AM   #54  
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The schools unconsitutional behavior at restricting symbols such as the star of david or the cross and others should not be allowed and people of any or no faith should be outraged by such behavior of our schools.
If one is going to display a cross then one should display all the markings of all religions, correct?
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 06:31 AM   #55  
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The schools unconsitutional behavior at restricting symbols such as the star of david or the cross and others should not be allowed and people of any or no faith should be outraged by such behavior of our schools.

Also we have to be close to remember that God and Christianity is a large part of the history and heritage of the US, and that not teaching thier roles can often be a loss of the true meaning of many things from the US constitution, to the building of America which was often based on some religious group

If by restricting symbols you mean students wearing jewelry, etc, I agree with you. I see no reason for a school to forbid students from wearing a cross, etc. I also agree with you that Christianity is a large part of US history, and see no reason students can't learn about that history without being delivered a sermon (or someone thinking that the mention of the word "god" equates to a sermon).
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yes, I have issues with many school officials where students wearing crosses have been ordered to take them off. We normally refer this to one of the christian legal teams for action.

Was not talking about the display of crosses by the school, but displays by students for certain activities, if they do art work for the holidays, santas would be ok but a manger scene nto allowed for example.

for example the "mormon wars" or even the forcing christianity on the american indians were some sad points in our history but need to be taught also as an example what happens when one is not tolerant of other religions If we don't teach our history, good and bad, we are doomed to repeat alot of the bad.

But the fact that almsot all schools were first ran by churches, all early colleges were all church schools, is just a fact, part of the history never taught.d

The fact that the Cherokee people had the first real constitution in the US and alotof the one we have can be seen in theirs. I bet almost no student ever learns this.
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 07:44 AM   #57  
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I figured that's what you meant, Chuck, and I agree with you. I remember reading an article about a girl (in England) who was suspended for wearing a chastity ring to school; her school has a strict "no jewelry" policy, but made exceptions for religious icons. The school said the chastity ring was not an icon for her religion, so she must take it off. Though I disagree with the ban, I agreed with the school up until this point. Then it was revealed the school was permitting Muslim female students to wear bracelets to school with no penalty. I thought it was ridiculous to enforce the rules selectively - rules should be fairly applied to everyone, otherwise there's no point in having them.

Sorry - got a little off topic there!
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Ok, understood. I agree with Jillian.
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 05:27 PM   #59  
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Hello De:

Not really. It IS the basis of our democratic nation.

You seem to be saying that a minority may tyranize a majority, but you are wrong. This is not the American way.

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The Bill of Rights gives YOU rights. YOU have them, not because you belong to the majority or the minority.

Exactly! The Bill of Rights protects the individual rights endowed by our Creator. The Declaration of Independence recognizes that we have a Creator.

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YOU have them because you're an American. The majority can't take them away.

CORRECT! And the reverse is not true either. A MINORITY may not take them away from the majority.

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They can't VOTE them out. You have them because, as Thomas Jefferson said, they're "inalienable rights". Even if ALL 300 million people in this country decided to pass a law that contravened the Bill of Rights, and YOU were the ONLY one opposed to it, you would win - and you should.

Not that I want to, but as I understand it, you can vote them out. The procedure for amending the Constitution is in the Constitution.
Constitutional Amendments - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


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Does that mean a minority of ONE could tell the entire 300 million majority where to stick it???? In terms of prayer in school, YOU BETCHA!

Sorry, but that is wrong. The intent of the Founding Fathers is that individual rights be upheld and that legal decisions be made by majority vote.

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Old Nov 23, 2007, 04:55 PM   #60  
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NO, the ten commandments should NOT be taught in schools. Why? Because one of the commandments is:

Do not worship any other gods

Another is:

Do not make any idols

Another is:

Do not misuse the name of god

Another is:

Keep the Sabbath holy

Those "rules" apply to christians, and christians only.

I said taught, not forced upon. And remember, if you've been reading my messages, I believe that the parents are the ultimate teachers of their children and the schools should be extension of the parents. That means that I don't approve of children being taught anything against their parents' will.

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They are not essential to having a civilized, functioning society like oh, I don't know, telling kids murder is wrong and listening to your parents is good.

Which happen also to be Commandments. Thou shalt not kill and thou shalt honor thy father and mother. So, what, you want to teach 8 out of the 10 Commandments?

Now if I'm the parent in question and I want the Public Schools to teach the Commandments, I want them to teach the complete set. The rest of the Commandments make no sense without the first, to love God with all your heart and soul, upon which all Commandments are based.

Sincerely,

De Maria
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