At Ask Me Help Desk you can ask questions in any topic and have them
answered for free by our experts. To ask questions or participate in
answering them you must register for a free account. By registering you
will be able to:
Get free answers from experts in any of our 300+
topics.
Hey Guys!
I was wondering about how yall thought about prayers in school. this topic is very important to me, and i would love some other's opinions on it! please, everyone, reply with your thoughts!
thanks so much!
G'Day.....again
Well I do believe children should pray in schools, we teach our kids they are descended from monkeys and they prey in schools.
The house built on the rock stands firm the shack built on the sand falls.
Pray for our Kids!!!!
Blessings <M>
As far as MY Goddess is concerned---well, she doesn't really have a creation story. Descended from monkeys is okay with me.
However--if you think you're going to make MY kids pray a Christian prayer, or even have to LISTEN to one every day in a secular school, you've got another think coming.
EVERY religion is valid in this country. If we have prayer in schools, you'll have to make sure that every day you pray to a new god--and with so many pantheons have multiple gods, well--the Christian god is only gonna get his chance once every few months.
Let's put it this way--would you want YOUR kids to pray to Satan? Or to even have to listen to a prayer to Satan?
As far as MY Goddess is concerned---well, she doesn't really have a creation story. Descended from monkeys is okay with me.
However--if you think you're going to make MY kids pray a Christian prayer, or even have to LISTEN to one every day in a secular school, you've got another think coming.
EVERY religion is valid in this country. If we have prayer in schools, you'll have to make sure that every day you pray to a new god--and with so many pantheons have multiple gods, well--the Christian god is only gonna get his chance once every few months.
Let's put it this way--would you want YOUR kids to pray to Satan? Or to even have to listen to a prayer to Satan?
Let me get this straight. If the majority of the Christian parents want Christian prayer in the public school and the minority want to pray to satan, you believe the majority should put their children in private school or take them home in order to do so?
It just seems undemocratic to me.
What's wrong with the minority putting their children in private school if they don't want to hear Christian prayer in public school?
I will stress again--Separation of church and state is NOT subject to a majority vote. It's in our Constitution - part of the First Amendment. It means basically that the state will NOT endorse any religion, and the church will not support any particular politics. The state can't tell a church how to believe, the church can't tell the state how to legislate. Absolute separation.
Because schools are a part of the state (run by state agencies, paid with state money, and endorsed by state laws), there can be NO "official" religion at any school. It doesn't matter if the school is 100% a particular religion--the school still can not endorse that religion. They can't prevent people from expressing their religious beliefs (which is why kids can still pray), but they can not choose one religion over any other (which is why teachers and administrators can not lead those prayers the kids are saying).
I don't care if the kids pray, or read the Bible, or the Book of Mormon, or the Taliban's Code of Conduct, or the Talmud, or any OTHER religious tract. I don't care if they support their religion by wearing religious symbols.
What I care about is that the state should NOT choose any one religion over another, and that's EXACTLY what they'd be doing if they had prayer in school.
What's wrong with the minority putting their children in private school if they don't want to hear Christian prayer in public school?
Hello again, De Maria:
Well, we're back to the argument I posted a waaaaay's back. Clearly, you didn’t understand what I said. Let me try again.
The only thing in the way with putting minority children in private school is the Constitution.
You think the majority should win. You keep saying that. The majority cannot VOTE away the rights from the minority. That's not how our system works. I don’t know what’s so hard about that. I know you think it does. You're wrong. Maybe if you took a civics class instead of your religious stuff, you'd know more about how your own country works.
I would have to say yes to prayers I am not in any faith nor are my kids but a little silence during the morning would help kids settle down and get to work I don't think a little quiet time would hurt we all have something to be greate full for a little time to express that would be nice and if a child decides to pray well let them but not out loud. if a child wants to thank our soldieurs or the teachers or anything well here is the time.
...so many things come down to parents saying "oh I am not this or that so my kids are not coming to this school unless it changes what happened to the Oh canada song and god save the queen song in the morning what happened to putting your head down once during the day to sit for a moment to say thanks to anyone or anything, what happened to merry christmas?
We have so much to be thankful for wether it be for our freedom our homes our families some one had to get that for us why not set aside a time to say thanks...and oh my merry christmas is now seasons greeting!!! I mean what is with that does it really make a difference what people say? it all means the same thing in the end
....in the end we all have something to pray for some time given in school would be nice..if the child don't want to pray well its gives that child time to relax and get ready to work.
I will stress again--Separation of church and state is NOT subject to a majority vote.
1. The Constitution can be amended by 2/3 majority.
2. Separation of Church and State means that the government can't establish a State religion.
Quote:
It's in our Constitution - part of the First Amendment.
The Constitution also provides for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
Quote:
It means basically that the state will NOT endorse any religion,
Correct.
Quote:
and the church will not support any particular politics.
False. Thats only if the particular church wants to be tax exempt. If a Church is willing to lose this status, they may participate in any politics they want.
Quote:
The state can't tell a church how to believe,
Correct.
Quote:
the church can't tell the state how to legislate.
The church can tell the state anything it wants. The state is under no obligation to obey.
Quote:
Absolute separation.
False, every religious person regardless of creed must behave according to his religious conscience. Being an American does not mean we check our faith at the door or our school nor our government office.
Quote:
Because schools are a part of the state (run by state agencies, paid with state money, and endorsed by state laws), there can be NO "official" religion at any school.
We aren't asking for an official religion. We're asking for prayer.
Quote:
It doesn't matter if the school is 100% a particular religion--the school still can not endorse that religion.
Permitting prayer is not endorsement of a religion. It is endorsement of individual conscience.
Quote:
They can't prevent people from expressing their religious beliefs (which is why kids can still pray),
And so they should.
Quote:
but they can not choose one religion over any other (which is why teachers and administrators can not lead those prayers the kids are saying).
That is the ruling we hope to overturn. I personally believe, if the parents agree, the School should serve the parents will. It is the parents who are ultimately in charge of their children.
Quote:
I don't care if the kids pray, or read the Bible, or the Book of Mormon, or the Taliban's Code of Conduct, or the Talmud, or any OTHER religious tract. I don't care if they support their religion by wearing religious symbols.
What I care about is that the state should NOT choose any one religion over another, and that's EXACTLY what they'd be doing if they had prayer in school.
I disagree. If they do what the parents agree upon, they will simply be permitting prayer. Not establishing a religion.
But did you answer my question?
You seem to think it fine that a Christian should leave Public School if he wants to pray. What's wrong with a nonChristian leaving Public School if he doesn't want to hear prayer?
Well, we're back to the argument I posted a waaaaay's back. Clearly, you didn’t understand what I said. Let me try again.
Clearly you forgot what you said: I misspoke earlier when I said you don't have a clue. You DO. I like your argument. In fact, I agree with you for the most part.
1. The Constitution also provides for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
Uh, just as importantly it provides freedom from religion!
Quote:
We aren't asking for an official religion. We're asking for prayer.
Prayer has religious connotations. Again, the consitution just as importantly provides for freedom from religion.
Quote:
That is the ruling we hope to overturn.
It will never happen. I have too much faith in the strength of our constitution. If it's so important to you that your kids pray, then make the time for them to do so at home each day. But why should other kids lose valuable school time, because you're too lazy or disorganized to provide this daily prayer time in your own home where it belongs?
Again, I have faith in our constitution. You will lose this one. I'd bet money on it.
If a minority feels left out and put upon because of the actions of the majority in a school--should the minority have to leave a public place because of the actions of the majority? or should the majority have to make concessions to NOT make the minority feel out of place? Aren't actions that make someone feel pushed into something they don't believe BAD? In other words--should a child have to feel like they have to pretend to be Christian to fit it, to NOT feel bullied or judged? Should they have to act like they believe the same thing as everyone else?
Seriously--it's Christians that think that everyone and everything should conform to them because they are the majority religion in this country that just ticks me right off. I honestly believe that that whole "only one god" thing ya'll have makes you have quite the lack of tolerance for other religions. After all--when's the last time a minority religion walked up to you on the street and asked, "have you found the Flying Speghetti Monster? Only He can save you! Convert! Be saved now!"?
So...I guess what I'm saying is that my belief is that neither you nor the state can tell me what to believe, and because PARENTS are ultimately in charge of their children, not TEACHERS--then PARENTS should tell their kids what to believe.
Teachers have far too much influence on kids, especially small kids. I don't want another adult to influence my child to another religion. Why can't we just have teachers teach kindness and respect and TOLERANCE, not a specific religion? Aside from the things they SHOULD be teaching, of course--reading, writing, math, science, history, geography, etc.
I shouldn't have to pull my kids from a school that prayed--but you're right that I would. And then I'd sue the school district for teaching religion in a state institution--because like it or not, a prayer to a specific god in a school is endorsing ONLY that religion. The state can not endorse a religion.
One can act according to their religious beliefs without forcing them on to others.
As far as your 2/3 majority--the rest of the world could pretty much vote Christians down
Linear Mode
