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Why is it that Christians judge people that are different from themselves? If you are an Atheist, so to speak, you are viewed as a devil worshipper, or an outcast. But in the Bible, Matthew 7:1-3 it says "Judge not or thou shall be judged the same way on Judgement Day".
Fr_Chuck, you seem to have missed a big portion of the conversation. The matter came from energy. This is well understood. Either you can say the energy is eternal, or you can say that the energy was created by god and that god is eternal. Either way you're still stuck with "what created that?". Both speculations have the same unknown, it seems logical to cut out god, because he's an unneeded step that we have no way to measure.
That's the rub my friend, you think it's logical to cut God out of it and I don't, for the simple fact that I cannot reconcile sentient beings emerging out of nothing without a guiding hand any more than I can imagine the new Dallas Cowboys stadium rising from the ground without architects, engineers and and builders. It's just plain common sense - no science needed.
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Speechless, you didnt explain my completely random bridge hands.
And as I explained, abiogenesis is not speculated to have happened by chance. It will have happened by chemical eactions which would have always happened in the conditions that were avaliable.
I don't want or need to explain bridge hands. You can throw out any number of mathematical odds for things with known values, give us the odds for the unknown values that led to man rising from a primordial soup? Where did those chemicals come from? How did the right conditions come to be? Give us the odds...
Dude! You didn't mention individuals. You said Christians. Of course there are jerks among the Christians.......... Just like there are jerks amongst any belief group - like yours. I'm an atheist too, but I'm not angry about it.
Why didn't you suggest that people who eat bread are hypocrites? I know several.
I love to argue when the argument makes sense. This one doesn't anymore.
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I'm not angry about it either. I never said I was.
I understand there are jerks amongst any belief group, but Christians believe in the Bible, and the Bible considers it to be wrong to be judgemental. Where I come from is a small town, everybody there is a pronounced Christian, but yet could write for a New York City tabloid.
The argument i'm trying to make is, if Christians believe in the Bible and what it says, why are they so judgemental when the Bible considers it to be wrong?
Finally someone understands what i'm trying to point out.
Do you seriously think we didn't understand what you were talking about, because after that it seems you were just waiting for someone to agree with you.
Do you seriously think we didn't understand what you were talking about, because after that it seems you were just waiting for someone to agree with you.
I dont care if anyone agrees with me or not, all i'm doing is stating my personal opinion.
Dude! You didn't mention individuals. You said Christians. Of course there are jerks among the Christians.......... Just like there are jerks amongst any belief group - like yours. I'm an atheist too, but I'm not angry about it.
Just because some one thinks christians are hypocrites doesn't mean they cant or dont believe in god! I do but he dose say in the bible that the wolves live among the sheep, so i find it easier to believe on my own instead of part of an organized religion that care more about "being right" than actually being right!
I'm not talking about it being logical to cut out God to explain sentient beings. (Don't take that as meaning I think that we need God to explain sentient beings). I'm talking about it being logical to cut out God to explain where the energy came from at the big Bang. These are seperate issues.
You need to understand the bridge analogy for me to get any further with you. Humans do not have an innate understanding of statistics. In statistics, we expect the unexpected to happen. If the expected happened all the time, there would be no need for statistics, because everytime you rolled a die, it would always land on the same number. That isn't the world we live in.
Just because you do not know how life evolved from molecules doesnt mean that it's impossible. The odds are low of getting a specific hand in bridge, too, but if you deal enough times, you will get it. The cards to determine if life will form have been dealt many many times since the beginning of the universe. However, It's generally thought that life had a high chance of forming, and probably formed many times before it finally thrived.
Just because some one thinks christians are hypocrites doesn't mean they cant or dont believe in god! I do but he dose say in the bible that the wolves live among the sheep, so i find it easier to believe on my own instead of part of an organized religion that care more about "being right" than actually being right!
I never said that Christians dont believe in God.
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so i find it easier to believe on my own instead of part of an organized religion that care more about "being right" than actually being right!
I think people created odds to deal with the fact that they dont know what is happening in there lives and can not predict there future happenings....just an opinion
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