How do you respond to old testament law picking and choosing?

Ashriel · Oct 28, 2009, 10:05 AM

Hi all:

I found an interesting letter while stumbling online, and I wanted to hear other people's thoughts about it. Here is the link:

Why Can't I Own a Canadian?

I know many people will pick and choose out of the old testament, that some things are still relevant today and others are not. Jesus came to break down the barriers of the Law and the requirements it included.

What do you think? Is it alright to say that homosexuals are wrong because of that verse in Leviticus, or not? I feel like we have to take every other law with it too.

I'm kind of confused by the whole topic. Is the old testament relavent? Or is it now abolished because of Jesus?

Let's discuss it!

arcura · Nov 1, 2009, 04:22 PM

sndbay,
Are you trying to tell us that you always walk in the Spirit and NEVER sin?
If so you are like the Mother of God, Mary,and I find that hard to believe.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

sndbay · Nov 2, 2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
Are you trying to tell us that you always walk in the Spirit and NEVER sin?
If so you are like the Mother of God, Mary,and I find that hard to believe.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

~child of God

gromitt82 · Nov 2, 2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sndbay

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

~child of God

I appreciate your quoting the Scriptures all the time. That shows that you have a good knowledge of the Bible and that you know how to look for the right quotes.

In my country, in Spain, we have recently have a case - which right now is in Court - of a priest who could recite by heart the Holy Bible and was rather famous for his quotes of Biblical fragments which he used to abundantly use while preaching at the Holy Mass.
Still, this priest is now facing a 12 years sentence for pederasty

It looks like despite of the fact he could preach like an Apostle he could as well behave like a devil.

Eventually, he will have to square his accounts -which must be in red numbers - with our Saviour, don't you think?

Gronitt 82

sndbay · Nov 2, 2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gromitt82

I appreciate your quoting the Scriptures all the time. That shows that you have a good knowledge of the Bible and that you know how to look for the right quotes.

In my country, in Spain, we have recently have a case - which right now is in Court - of a priest who could recite by heart the Holy Bible and was rather famous for his quotes of Biblical fragments which he used to abundantly use while preaching at the Holy Mass.
Still, this priest is now facing a 12 years sentence for pederasty

It looks like despite of the fact he could preach like an Apostle he could as well behave like a devil.

Eventually, he will have to square his accounts -which must be in red numbers - with our Saviour, don't you think?

Gronitt 82

Gromitt82

If you also recall in teaching of scripture, satan knew scripture very well, and it was recorded that he did tempt Jesus with the uses of words written in scripture . However Jesus knew HIS Father's Words and was able to conquer the temptations of satan.

Christ has warned us to keep watch, and it is good that you do so.

arcura · Nov 2, 2009, 07:04 PM

sndbay,
So you are saying that you never sin.
Is that an honest assessment I got from your Scripture quotes?
I really wonder.....
Fred

gromitt82 · Nov 3, 2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Gromitt82

If you also recall in teaching of scripture, satan knew scripture very well, and it was recorded that he did tempt Jesus with the uses of words written in scripture . However Jesus knew HIS Father's Words and was able to conquer the temptations of satan.

Christ has warned us to keep watch, and it is good that you do so.

I admit I have many defects, one being that I do not always understand what other people are saying.

This is what happens to me when I try to interpret what you say.

Are you perhaps implying the priest I mentioned was a modern version of Satan disguised as a priest? I will not dispute this possibility though you will, in that case, probably accept that there are an awful number of satans that have managed to penetrate our Catholic churches. Hundreds of them only in the USA.

Possible! But I hold a simpler theory. I feel rather inclined to believe that we men, with a few exceptions like yourself who never sins, are weak and therefore prone to be tempted by the devil, whether priests or anything else.

I wish I could be as strong as you claim to be and be able to fight sin as successfuly as you claim you do.

I spend my life feeling sorry and repenting for all kind of sins I happen to commit in spite of my good intentions.

How do you do it?

Gromitt82

sndbay · Nov 3, 2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gromitt82

I admit I have many defects, one being that I do not always understand what other people are saying.

This is what happens to me when I try to interpret what you say.

Are you perhaps implying the priest I mentioned was a modern version of Satan disguised as a priest? I will not dispute this possibility though you will, in that case, probably accept that there are an awful number of satans that have managed to penetrate our Catholic churches. Hundreds of them only in the USA.

Possible! But I hold a simpler theory. I feel rather inclined to believe that we men, with a few exceptions like yourself who never sins, are weak and therefore prone to be tempted by the devil, whether priests or anything else.

I wish I could be as strong as you claim to be and be able to fight sin as successfuly as you claim you do.

I spend my life feeling sorry and repenting for all kind of sins I happen to commit in spite of my good intentions.

How do you do it?

Gromitt82

Gromitt82, my heart of love for all brothers and sister would tell you "God loves you" and He knows your heart, and searches your heart. The inward newness of life that we can be if we follow Christ, and hold stedfast in Faith is there for you.

Remember the parable of the wine bottle. Cap the old bottle, and do drink of the new. If you desire it? I pray you will understand what this means?

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Pray for knowledge of the strong meat. The ability to discern righteousness.

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

gromitt82 · Nov 3, 2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Gromitt82, my heart of love for all brothers and sister would tell you "God loves you" and He knows your heart, and searches your heart. The inward newness of life that we can be if we follow Christ, and hold stedfast in Faith is there for you.

Remember the parable of the wine bottle. Cap the old bottle, and do drink of the new. If you desire it? I pray you will understand what this means?

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Pray for knowledge of the strong meat. The ability to discern righteousness.

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Thanks for your understanding and commiseration for my many faults! Particularly, coming from someone who has reached a sinless life that should obvously take you to the altars!
Next month I intend to go to Rome on a pilgrimage organized by my Parish and we shall be rhopefully eceived by the Pope. Do you want me to speak a few words about your sanctity?

Gromitt82

sndbay · Nov 3, 2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gromitt82

Thanks for your understanding and commiseration for my many faults! Particularly, coming from someone who has reached a sinless life that should obvously take you to the altars!
Next month I intend to go to Rome on a pilgrimage organized by my Parish and we shall be rhopefully eceived by the Pope. Do you want me to speak a few words about your sanctity?

Gromitt82

Gromitt82,

I am of no higher esteem then any other servant of God, and recognize no denomination of religion.

God will not forget my labor of love. The desire is for everyone to come to the full assurance of one hope of their calling in One Lord, one Faith, one Baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (EPH 4:4-5-6)

JoeT777 · Nov 3, 2009, 02:11 PM

I’m surprised that nobody has noted that the argument in the opening question is built on a false assertion. It’s suggested that homosexual practices are wrong in the Old Testament but not in the New Testament, consequently homosexual practices should be accepted. But, this isn’t true. Refer to verses I Cor 6:9-10, Romans 1:18-32, and I Timothy 1:10. All these verses condemn homosexuality along with all forms of lasciviousness

JoeT



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