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my best friend turned out to be gay(well bi to be exact) and he kinda came out to a few people. he told out main group of friends and one of his best friends since like middle school totally turned her back on him and she is just being a total hypocrite. I really dont get her at all!!! Im not alright with his orientation but...hes still a friend of mine. His friend then went and told everyone including the youth pastor(cuz were all 11th and 12th grade) and he took our group of friends and told us that he has decided to turn his back on god and so the bible says that we are not to accept that lifestyle so we need to turn our back on him, not ignore him, but theres no way that we can be best friends with him. Thats wrong right?? i say its his life and he will have to deal with god. we arent to turn our backs!!! his stupid EX friends are being snobby and i just can not believe it!!! they think they are being christians??? they are pitiful excuses of one!! god died for ALL of us!! he loves ALL of us. he accepts ALL of us. Im against being gay, in the sense that i see it as going against exactly what the bible says, but....they are still people that deserve gods and our love.
It will harm their own relationship with God, as God will see them continuing to pursue a friendship with someone who clearly wants just the opposite. If you put a rotten apple and a good apple in a bag together, the rotten one will be the one to affect the other, not vice versa. The same can be applied in this situation.
So sad that you equate the gay person to the rotten apple but to each their own I guess. I've hung around lots of gay people (in fact a gay couple is our daughter's godparents) and it hasn't affected me. But then again I may be the exception to the rule.
So sad that you equate the gay person to the rotten apple but to each their own I guess. I've hung around lots of gay people (in fact a gay couple is our daughter's godparents) and it hasn't affected me. But then again I may be the exception to the rule.
Even sadder that you don't see that homosexuality is sinful to God, a sin that people need to repent from in order to be clean in His sight. The fact that you can't see any affect on you doesn't mean there isn't one. Clearly there is one if you don't see the wrong in it.
It will harm their own relationship with God, as God will see them continuing to pursue a friendship with someone who clearly wants just the opposite. If you put a rotten apple and a good apple in a bag together, the rotten one will be the one to affect the other, not vice versa. The same can be applied in this situation.
So let me get this straight. Im not sure if you are a guy or a girl but let me ask you this? Are you attracted to everyone of the opposite sex? No. So why would a gay guy be different. Are you scared one may hit on you or something. Gay people are attracted to every single one of the same sex.
And Gay people know that their friends may be straight, and they accept that. Now why can't you?
Its ok, ill pray you learn to love people for who they are, its ok i forgive you.
The Bible says that Jesus came to the sinners not the healthy. The Bible says Paul murdered Christians before he encountered God. If we turn away 'sinners' we live in our own man made bubble and not following the teaching to go into the world and witness. The church is becoming a social club that only tolerates others like them and throw away the caring for the *lesser than them* poor, the down and out and sinners.
The main problem I have with the churches going against gays is they preach against them like they are the personification of the definition of sin itself. Yet they do not treat a married man that cheats on his wife like an outcast. They will 'work with them' til they see 'the error of their way' but blackball the gay from the church. Sin is sin. Man in his reasoning has turned sexual sins into differing degrees of sin.
Sin is sin. Man in his reasoning has turned sexual sins into differing degrees of sin.
Wrong. If "sin is sin", then the Bible wouldn't specify that there is one particular sin that is unforgiveable.....that being, blasphemy against the holy spirit.
True tchal., I agree as far as joining the joining church thing but you can't turn them away from learning or turning them off from God's love by your actions either. There has to be a balance and a line.
tchalien agrees: I agree there is no degree of sin, but can you allow a practicing sinner to be a member of a congregation? Can a murderer that still murders join a church, thinking their murdering is okay? NO, Sin is sin.
But that is when it is up to the congregation to help him understand that his murdering is not okay. Kicking him out the doors helps nothing, but the churches pride. He needs to be there, he needs to hear the Word and be around Christians who can set an example for him and help him turn away from his sin. Of course we are talking known murdering so he will instead be in prison, but the point is no one should turn their backs on him. They should be visiting him in prison talking to him about God and His Word.
Continuing a friendship with someone who is gay does not support nor condone the friend's choice. If you and the friend can converse and hang out without the friend practicing his homosexual ways when he is with you then there is no reason why the friendship should be broken. Now if the gay friend insists on flirting and finding dates or double dating while you are with him then he has no respect for you and your beliefs and therefore is no friend in the first place. But if he respects your beliefs while you are together then continue the friendship.
It's funny how people pick and choose what is worse than others. Allowing anything to control your body (temple) is a sin. Many people eat too much (allow food to control their appetites) yet many people still continue to have dinner with those very same relatives and friends who eat too much. How can you disassociate yourself from those who are gay, but continue to cherish the mother, father, aunt, uncle, friend who eats too much and not be a hypocrite? If your are going to kick out the homosexuals because they continue to practice that sinful way, then kick out the over eaters because they continue to allow food to control their bodies. What about the sins that you can't see? What about the people who continuously lust for worldly things (money) or lust over people. They keep it to themselves, but yet they continuously practice their lustful sins in their thoughts. Where are they? Sitting on the pew next to you.
Other than blasphemy I don't recall God ever ranking sin in degrees of greatest and least. Therefore I do not believe any sin is greater than the other. But even if there were, who are we to decide which sins God finds to be worse than others?
[color="Blue"] Kicking him out the doors helps nothing, but the churches pride.
Wrong. Kicking him out the door is for the good of the entire congregation, for your own good, and ultimately for theirs (assuming they will come to their senses and turn around from their sinful lifestyle). If removing them "helps nothing", then why was it that the Apostle Paul counseled the congregations to do that exact thing with willful sinners? I'm afraid I'd have to go along with the inspired counsel of the Apostle Paul on an issue like this rather than your opinion.
If you show him from the Bible why his way is wrong, that only needs to take one or two times. If you constantly bash him over the head with something when he's clearly not going to listen to you, that accomplishes nothing.
Continuing a close friendship with such an individual, who has CHOSEN to continue a lifestyle of gross sin absolutely DOES show your support and condoning of their continued sin. God disciplines those he loves, and included in that discipline would be casting an unrepentant sinner from the congregation, from among those who are determined to be obedient. If you break off that friendship until that person turns around, you show that your stand is for God's laws and principles and that you value that relationship more than one with a willful sinner. You would also be showing absolutely that you do not condone their chosen course of life.
It's interesting how your viewpoint differs so drastically from God's.
I suggest you actually pick up and read a book called the Bible. In it you can see very clearly how certain sinful acts are considered as extremely serious in God's sight, fornication being one of those things. Fornication includes any sexual activity that is unnatural and practiced outside the bonds of marriage......homosexuality, bisexuality, and so forth being included in that. 1 Corinthians 6:18 highlights the seriousness of fornication by specifically counseling us to "flee" from it. That particular sin is given special attention because of its seriousness in God's eyes. People today try to minimize sin by saying that all sin is the same, or why should one be condemned while people still engage in others.
You showed very clearly how all of this is being viewed when you said "therefore I do not believe...." - Shouldn't it be more important what God says, rather than what YOU believe?
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