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Asked Feb 4, 2012, 08:10 AM — 10 Answers
In Matt. 16:28 Jesus said, “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Yet, they all died and he never came.

Now the prophesies said that the Savior was going to be the King of the Jews but Jesus died, never becoming the King. How come no one prophetised that the "kingdom" Was spiritual as some Christians suggest. What implications this have as prophets said the messiah will reign over the LAND not the heaven.

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Feb 4, 2012, 08:31 AM
1. Refer to Luke 17:21 concerning the Kingdom of God being spiritual. Romans 14:17 is also very clear on this as is John 18:36.
2. Refer to Acts 1:3 concerning your supposedly failed prophecy. I assure you that it has not failed. His kingdom did arrive and has been the most powerful and influential kingdom in the history of the world. We are speaking of course of the Christian faith. Paul understood this quite well, so much so that, "...he stayed two full years in his own rented quarters and was welcoming all who came to him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching concerning the Lord Jesus Christ with all openness, unhindered." (Refer to Acts 28:30.)

God is not after things. He owns the cattle on a thousand hills. He is after the hearts of men and women such as you.

I might add the Old Testament is in agreement with this. Refer here to Jeremiah 31: 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Note that this new covenant is entirely about man on the inside, not land or conquest of lands. It is about the conquest of man's heart.
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Feb 4, 2012, 09:17 AM
well then you refer to a philosophical kingdom. Now the spiritual kingdom was never mentioned i the old testaments and the prophesies of the old prophets, why God omit such details and gave false hope to his people?
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Feb 4, 2012, 10:54 AM
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well then you refer to a philosophical kingdom. Now the spiritual kingdom was never mentioned i the old testaments and the prophesies of the old prophets, why God omit such details and gave false hope to his people?
Where are you getting these talking points?
It is helpful it you will cite chapter and verse when you make outlandish claims about what was supposedly said and by who. So far you have not made any points or suggestions, only outlandish claims. Either you do or do not believe the Bible.
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Feb 5, 2012, 10:28 AM
There is a difference between a philosophical kingdom and a spiritual one. This Kingdom of Christ is very real.

"...why God omit such details and gave false hope to his people?" Which scriptures are you referring to? Also, have you read the final part of the book of Revelation?
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Feb 5, 2012, 01:40 PM
To his people I refer to the Jews who for always believed the messiah will be a worldly king as stated in various prophesies of the old testament, why is the spiritual mentioned in the new testament? Why is it that you get many of your facts from Paul and not Jesus himself. And can we count the resurrection as the second coming?
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"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Well surelly It seems that this is not the time for you are still telling me to "Know the Lord".
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Feb 5, 2012, 01:42 PM
Why Siddhartha Gautama, AKA the Buddha had a very similar message to Christ, is it possible that God manifest himself according to culture? Or Jesus learned about the teachings of the Buddha since he was before Jesus?
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Feb 5, 2012, 08:08 PM
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Why is it that you get many of your facts from Paul and not Jesus himself. And can we count the resurrection as the second coming?and "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Well surelly It seems that this is not the time for you are still telling me to "Know the Lord".
1. Two of my quotes, Luke and John, are from Jesus.
2. I did not tell you to "Know the Lord". You need to learn to read a post carefully and thoughtfully, not merely looking to argue.
3. While I did not tell you to "Know the Lord", I would ask if you if you do know Him. And if you don't, then it might be because you have referred to him as a false prophet by suggesting His prophecy failed, which it clearly did not do.
4. This is not a game we are playing. You, as well as everyone else, must decide if the Bible is true. I have accepted it for very specific and defensible reasons.
5. Did Buddha claim to be the Son of God, come to earth to bear the penalty for the sins of all mankind, and to open up the door to redemption and forgiveness to all who put their faith in him? I don't believe Buddha made such claims for himself, and therefore did not have a message at all like Christ. Many have come claiming to represent and speak for God. Only Jesus claimed to be God.
6. I asked you for the scriptures you were referring to. You did not list any. Why?
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Feb 21, 2012, 12:19 AM
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In Matt. 16:28 Jesus said, “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Yet, they all died and he never came.

Now the prophesies said that the Savior was going to be the King of the Jews but Jesus died, never becoming the King. How come no one prophetised that the "kingdom" Was spiritual as some Christians suggest. What implications this have as prophets said the messiah will reign over the LAND not the heaven.
A wrong view, Christ came into his kindgom three days after his death. he will return to the Earth but until then he reigns at his father's right hand
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Mar 16, 2012, 04:40 PM
That is funny and you know why?
Because no one yet to know if they actually all died, no one can actually tell, so how the prophecy failed when we do not have the whole picture? Also this is what some called faith, not looking into things to discredit a prophecy; if you believe then you do and if not then I wish you the best in your life but I doubt anyone to claim knowing the whole truth or having the whole picture….. Also; why is it not that he was talking about a bloodline; or someone’s soul, belief, or even an idea? How is it we translate things our ways… By the way; have you ever tried to read the bible in Aramaic? Some things are different than what most of us knows; maybe it is even easier than what we all think….
Have faith and things will be easier to understand

Peace

Sam
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