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I know the bible says that if a person is not saved and is burned up in the fires of hell that the smoke of his torment ariseth forever. Does that mean that he will actually suffer the pain and torment forever? Or once he is burned in the fires of hell he will no longer be conscious? Kinda confusing to me.
Basically, there is no such place as "hell" or "heaven" (scientifically and physically). However, spiritually, there are such places. In hell, you'll stay conscious forever, walking the underworld amidst the flaming walls and the burning magma around you. Therefore, you will suffer eternal damnation forever.
However, there is a better side to this. It only happens if you're "bad" on earth. If you're good, you go to heaven and live with good people, and so on.
I know the bible says that if a person is not saved and is burned up in the fires of hell that the smoke of his torment ariseth forever. Does that mean that he will actually suffer the pain and torment forever? Or once he is burned in the fires of hell he will no longer be conscious? Kinda confusing to me.
Would it mean anything to you if you knew that many scholars assert that the word "hell" means "grave"? Would you begin to face your creator out of love and admiration instead of trembling in the presence?
Other scholars assert "Who cares what the word hell means? It doesn't change anything". Answering this question is difficult because a true answer would not fall short of telling you what to believe. I can only go so far with an answer because I have no expertise in what you SHOULD beleive.
In Christianity many see it as a actual fire and burning, but then there is another theme where it will be the spiritual doom of knowing there is a God but not living within his blessings.
And a few that see it as an eternal death, after punishment they will just stop to exisit.
The main idea is to realise that the choice of not accepting is a bad idea no matter what, and of course if there was not a hell, Jesus would not have had to come to save mankind that would accept him. so just that fact that he came and died and raised from the dead is all that is needed to know beyond a doubt that some level of hell does exist.
And it of course hell be be a indivicual things, living an forever in the worst life you can ever have. But the idea of living without the love of jesus in your heart for me would be the worst hell ever possible.
I know the bible says that if a person is not saved and is burned up in the fires of hell that the smoke of his torment ariseth forever. Does that mean that he will actually suffer the pain and torment forever? Or once he is burned in the fires of hell he will no longer be conscious? Kinda confusing to me.
Well lets look at the world hell...Hell was an english word described for Hades. Hades which was written in hebrew had nothing to with fire. I believe the english translation of the world came some years, maybe centuries later. Hades however is a place of torment. I personally believe that it may be a form of depression. So in essence, Hell is a mental depression that never goes away. Jesus went to hell, to save souls. This is biblical. I personally dont believe in a hell with a fire. However mental depression with no help available is enuff without the fire. Hades is listed as a bottomless pit...It could also be translated as a mental depression with no end.
However, there is a better side to this. It only happens if you're "bad" on earth. If you're good, you go to heaven and live with good people, and so on.
Sorta wrong sorry mate, we christians believe that all people are sinners, so you cannot "earn" your way into heaven by being good, coz no one is completely good every moment of their life, the only way is to accept jesus christ as your personal lord and saviour. Also, hell in my view, is a place of pure evil.
Evil is the lack of god, just as darkness is the lack of light, cold is the lack of heat, etc.
So hell is the one place where god isnt, the one exception to gods omniprescence.
Jesus speaks of the unquenchable fire, Gehenna. MT 13:41-42 says " The son of Man will scend his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all who cause others to sin and all evildoers. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth." MT 25:41 Jesus says "Then he will say to those on his left, depart from ne, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Eternal is forever, and it sounds like hell is quite hot too.
The one thing people NEVER seem to think about is the "literal" side to all of the "heaven and hell" arguments. Seriously, though--it's not that difficult, but people make it so.
Think of it like this, and you'll never be "scared" of a "hell" or whatever again:
If you don't have a BODY (ie physically, with nerve endings, blood, etc.) then HOW are you supposed to feel the "burning hellfires" that proverbially go along with the fairy tale taught to us as children?
It's all so "Brothers Grimm" to me. There isn't anything after we die except death. Everything we experience while breathing and all consciousness stops. No brain---no realization, no anything.
The one thing people NEVER seem to think about is the "literal" side to all of the "heaven and hell" arguments. Seriously, though--it's not that difficult, but people make it so.
Think of it like this, and you'll never be "scared" of a "hell" or whatever again:
If you don't have a BODY (ie physically, with nerve endings, blood, etc.) then HOW are you supposed to feel the "burning hellfires" that proverbially go along with the fairy tale taught to us as children?
It's all so "Brothers Grimm" to me. There isn't anything after we die except death. Everything we experience while breathing and all consciousness stops. No brain---no realization, no anything.
If humans have no eternal soul then you are right. Death of the body would be the end. However, it seems that rr man is asking for a christian perspective, and every type of christian denomination I know of teaches that humans have an eternal soul. So to christians, death is not the end but the beginning of eternity ether with God, or apart from God.
Jesus speaks of the unquenchable fire, Gehenna. MT 13:41-42 says " The son of Man will scend his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all who cause others to sin and all evildoers. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth." MT 25:41 Jesus says "Then he will say to those on his left, depart from ne, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Eternal is forever, and it sounds like hell is quite hot too.
Gehhenna was an incinerator outside the walls of Jerusalem where garbage and the bodies of dead criminals deamed unworthy of burial and by extension a ressurection
were thrown.
Why would God want to condemn someone to eternal torture? Isn't torture a criminal offense and any country using it as punishment considered barbarian?
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