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I know the bible says that if a person is not saved and is burned up in the fires of hell that the smoke of his torment ariseth forever. Does that mean that he will actually suffer the pain and torment forever? Or once he is burned in the fires of hell he will no longer be conscious? Kinda confusing to me.
Why would God want to condemn someone to eternal torture? Isn't torture a criminal offense and any country using it as punishment considered barbarian?
2pet 3:19 says God does not want any to perish but that all should come to repentance.
It is a willful turning away from God that condemns one to eternal torture. If we choose to separate our self from God, it is by our own free will.
I know the bible says that if a person is not saved and is burned up in the fires of hell that the smoke of his torment ariseth forever. Does that mean that he will actually suffer the pain and torment forever? Or once he is burned in the fires of hell he will no longer be conscious? Kinda confusing to me.
Yes, if you are a nonbeliever, you will burn in hell forever. You will feel it forever and it will burnrnrrnrnrnrnrnrnrnrnrn forever. You ask God into your heart to be your personal Lord and Savior. Believe that he died on the cross to pay for all of my sins, your sins, etc. Living a life for God is the most wonderful decision one could ever make. The bible says it all. Would you like me to pray for you or anyone else? God Bless, Sunshine2
If humans have no eternal soul then you are right. Death of the body would be the end. However, it seems that rr man is asking for a christian perspective, and every type of christian denomination I know of teaches that humans have an eternal soul. So to christians, death is not the end but the beginning of eternity ether with God, or apart from God.
basically, this is how it goes, from a christian perspective.
I have a Soul. I inhabit a Body. I am A spirit.
the soul in my opinion is sorta like your body after you die in a way, the true person is the spirit, not a waaaaa im a ghost kinda spirit tho, something deeper. the body dies, but the spirit and the soul are undying.
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Anyone who condemns a sentient creature to eternal agony is neither good nor deserves to be worshipped. IMHO Of course that doesn't mean that such an entity will lack worshippers. It only means that such an entity can't count on me to worship him or to pronounce him as good.
2pet 3:19 says God does not want any to perish but that all should come to repentance.
It is a willful turning away from God that condemns one to eternal torture. If we choose to separate our self from God, it is by our own free will.
If God is the one who set the consequence for disobedience as eternal torture, I really don't see how the tortured is to blame for the type of punishment he receives. If I am skinned alive, how is it my fault that the savages doing the skinning chose to use that PARTICULAR method? It's not the choice it's the nature of the consequence for making that choice that is in question. Who benefits from all the agony you say that those who are unrepentant sinners suffer? Just curious.
I agree that the punishment is not forever in the Lake of Fire, which is the 2nd death, where Death & Hades get thrown into along with Satan, the beast, & the false prophet. The Satanic 3 may be tormented forever & ever as Revelation says-but I don't believe death & Hades does.
I do believe there is a hell(a temporary holding place) right now-but there is no fire as we know fire. It is just extremely hot. Just as described in Luke 16:19-31-The Rich Man and Lazarus. Also, the devil is not there-he is a spiritual being & is still going to & fro on earth & in the heavenlies to deceive of course.
But I believe the Lake of Fire represents a final purification (but end) to people's sin & state of being.
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Whatever we hold as the nature of the death state, may we let this truth sink deep into our hearts: DEATH IS TO BE ABOLISHED. The ringing declaration, "The LAST enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (I Cor. 15:26), overthrows the whole structure of accepted, but unproved, theology which shuts up the mass of the human race in "eternal death." When the "last" enemy is abolished it is self-evident that none remains. Those wretched religionists who demand the endlessness of death, who argue for eternal torment in the lake of fire, the second death, do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. The lake of fire MUST end because death and hell are cast into it, which is the second death, and in the end THERE SHALL BE N-O M-O-R-E D-E-A-T-H. - end quote.
If God is the one who set the consequence for disobedience as eternal torture, I really don't see how the tortured is to blame for the type of punishment he receives. If I am skinned alive, how is it my fault that the savages doing the skinning chose to use that PARTICULAR method? It's not the choice it's the nature of the consequence for making that choice that is in question. Who benefits from all the agony you say that those who are unrepentant sinners suffer? Just curious.
If you are skinned alive, it is the savages fault. It is them acting on their will. You would be the victim. I’m assuming they came after you. You did not come to them knowing you would be skinned alive. I do not see this as a good comparison to the sufferings of hell. God is full of mercy in that he has provided a way to heaven. He does not take away one’s free will however. If you choose to separate yourself from him, it is your choice.
As to who benefits from suffering in hell, I simply do not know. That is beyond my limited understanding.
Thank you Starman for making me think more deeply.
If you go out and rob a store, and rape the clerk and kill a police officer while trying to get away.
Whose fault is it that you go to prison for life, is it the judges fault, is it the juries fault, is ti the prison guards fault. is it congress for passing the law. Is it the stone mason who built the prison
No it is the persons fault who did the crime. The same with Hell, and its punishments, the person who is dommed makes those choices that causes them to go there, So one can not blame God and one can not claim to be the victim, they are responsible for thier own actions.
It is a commom idea of trying to blame others for what we do, that way our choices is not our fault, but in the end each of our choices are ours to be judged by
If a government has torture as its punishing system the government is held accountable for using that system. Torture is a crime against humanity. What you are saying is that those who make torture legal in their country are not to be blamed for using that method. It isn't their fault that people break the law and fall get tortured. That view goes completely contrary to the USA Constitution and the United Nations official declaration of human rights which codemn torture as being a crime.
Because a superior being is said to have instituted it doesn't make it any less of a crime. Actually, that's the might makes right argument taken to its extreme.
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Just recently an American spray painted some cars in Hong Kong and was sentenced to be whipped. The people of the USA were horrified and called it a crime and barbaric and demanded the American's release. So what we have here is a double standard.
If you are skinned alive, it is the savages fault. It is them acting on their will. You would be the victim. I’m assuming they came after you. You did not come to them knowing you would be skinned alive. I do not see this as a good comparison to the sufferings of hell. God is full of mercy in that he has provided a way to heaven. He does not take away one’s free will however. If you choose to separate yourself from him, it is your choice.
As to who benefits from suffering in hell, I simply do not know. That is beyond my limited understanding.
Thank you Starman for making me think more deeply.
Being full of mercy doesn't quite harmonize with a being who supposedly approves of
eternal torture as punishment if you don't do what he says. Furthermore, why would God make a place for sinners to torture sinners FOREVER because they have sinned? The devil and his angels are sinners. So how is it that they are believed to be in hell being allowed or given the privilege of enjoying themselves via sadistically torturing helpless human souls?
The being that you are describing to me might arouse fear as a monster, or an insane criminal who has power to harm do. But the being that you are describing does not move me to respect him nor want any part of him since the being you are describing seems to be criminally insane.
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